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Rockhopper

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Better Out Than In?
« on: March 19, 2018, 07:15:43 am »
Hi Jed,

Is ongoing depression and not coping in life a sign that you "want out" and would be better suited to being out than in? Or am I just creating grand dramas for my own amusement and distraction from the truth?

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Jed McKenna

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Re: Better Out Than In?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2018, 12:29:49 pm »
Hi there:

Both and neither. You tell me. You know darn well and are just denying the truth of the matter.

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Re: Better Out Than In?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2018, 07:08:20 pm »
I read the trilogy a few years back whilst living in an ashram and those books had more of an impact on me than my two years in the ashram. Knowing what I know now that doesn't surprise me. Yesterday I was reading Dreamstate and some of the forum posts. This morning when I "woke up" or should I say when I rebooted the hologram I knew I was in a waking dream. I felt calm and peaceful but also mildly forlorn. I went down to the beach and again I knew and saw it all for the hologram it was. I suspect I'm at the stage of being asleep in the dream 90% of the time but having occasional glimpses of HA? I get everything on a conceptual level and maybe I'm even having an experience of HA at times. It's been like this for years so I suspect I might not be getting further but treading water and doing Groundhog Day. Now the question is although the amusement park has generally been more of a traumatisation park for me do I still prefer that to being alone on a rock in a wasteland? This is what it seems I have to figure out.

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Re: Better Out Than In?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2018, 10:51:01 pm »
O.K. Got it. Now you are asking me what you prefer. I really have not idea. No one thing is better than another, other than in the realm of thought. I certainly cannot tell you what you prefer. My only thoughts on you situation is if you are not having fun... make a change.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 01:20:12 am »
Yes no point doing the same if you're not having fun. For a long time enlightenment was what I was seeking. On that journey I had some powerful spiritual experiences which although didn't bring about an awakening at least showed me that everything I needed and was seeking was already inside me. Then I read your books and started looking at enlightenment as truth realisation. I thought TR was what I was after but at times you present it as something desirable and at other times something not so desirable. That's fine but you say once you have woken up from the dream there is no going back. So I guess if I attained TR and found out I actually preferred being asleep then I'd just have to accept being TR and make the most of that. Why I am at this point of doubt and hesitation is because this has been a theme throughout my life. Whenever I have had a choice to change job, city, country or home it has caused me so much angst as I don't know if I'm going to prefer it or not. So I tend to put down safety nets and travel down both roads simultaneously as long as I can. Sometimes for years unbelievably! Inevitably neither works out as I'm not committed to one or the other. This is probably why I am currently stuck in no man's land as I can't commit to either being asleep or awake. I need to reflect more on what you said about preference just being a thought process. That was what all the spiritual training I did in ashrams and monasteries boiled down to for me - not having a preference - accepting each moment as it is.

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Re: Better Out Than In?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 07:36:04 am »
Old Chinese saying: Man who stand in middle of road gets hit by trucks going both ways.

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Re: Better Out Than In?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 07:13:41 pm »
I was reading Dreamstate again last night and always seem to wake up more lucid the next morning when I do. Maybe it was the chapter about the dungeon that did it but this morning when I opened my eyes I was very conscious of my brain reconstructing the details of my reality piece by piece. It all felt very artificial and fake although not yet repugnant. Further

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 01:27:51 am »
Good work, and yes, further.

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