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Jed McKenna

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Re: Burn
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2019, 02:00:52 am »
Why deny something that doesn't even exist. Waste of time in my experience.

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Re: Burn
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2019, 04:21:21 am »
That's what's happening all the time: People are denying that they are not real existing persons but dreamt persons.
Hm, I guess the main important thing is not to deny that it's all a play. It's necessary to pretend and important to know that I am pretending (like an actor in a play).

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Re: Burn
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2019, 09:11:04 am »
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Re: Burn
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2019, 10:26:26 am »
Paradise! Oh, holy ****, what a word. But how can it be defined so that it works for me?
To be free of worries!
Is that possible?
Jed, do "you" simply live in the stable awareness, that it's all a play?
Have "you" lost the ability to deny this?

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Re: Burn
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2019, 12:53:34 am »
Dear Parsley:

I'm  not clear on what you mean by ''deny this'', deny what? But thanks for the opportunity to sip my chi and go on a little.

It think you are caught up on expecting something called ''paradise''... not sure if I use that word, and I have used a lot of words, but let me ask you, do you know what ''paradise'' is? I'm going to jump ahead and suggest that you have no idea what paradise really is. If I am wrong you can ignores what follows.

You have been subjected to media, adds of tropical beaches, honeymoon scenes, champagne glasses bubbling, new age fuzzed out blue and mauve pictures of lotus positioned devoties of a ''Lord knows who guru''.. in other words, you have everybody else's idea of ''paradise'' in your head ... except your own experience of it. Not the idea of it, but the experience of it. Bid diff....

As to the stable awareness that this is all play... well, the most accurrate way I could respond is that I live in the stable play of playing with the stable awareness that this is all play. After all, if it's all play, and there is something called ''stable awareness'', then stable awareness must be subject to play as well.. it's all game... and indeed I do play... with stable awareness of it being all play, and I also tickle awareness in the play process from time to time (everything is just tickling really). Maybe I didn't play enough as a child... could I be catching up... I'll play with that idea for a bit.

Anything more serious than play is just the sickness of Maya trying to make us think this experience is real...make things solid, making them matter, make them important, make them heavy, make them anything you want but for heaven's sake don't play, don't have fun, don't use your imagination, don't engage other dreamt characters in play and definitely don't share the joy of playing. At all costs avoid moving your body in play, never dance or walk in play, avoid using your eyes for play, avoid teasing, joking, poking a little fun at seriousness when it needs poking, jostling people for fun, playing with the spirit of your encounters, that last one is just a little new age b.s. that I thought would sound good.

This would indeed be a terrible world if, instead of war, we got together in a giant sand box and played. I let you win today and you let me win tomorrow. We could make up a few playful rules, just to keep the sand in the box, but other than that, we could just make it up. Perhaps the criteria for ''winning'' would be who has the greatest imagination. Maybe one of use would even break out of the sandbox. We are making it up anyways, but Maya has got us making up ''you fill in the blank''. Rhymes with ''hit, bit, it, sit''.

There is no need for me to live in the stable awareness that it is all play, there is no awareness that it is not all play... regardless of what appears to arise... the ''gods'' have been playing with us all along, why on earth would you not play back. You are a parent, a homeowner, a laborer, a student, a doctor, a lawyer, a garbage collector, and you fail to realize that these are all play. ALL! You have bought into the program... sold on a story that these are must-do-terribly-important-cannot-fail-at-must-look-good-at-must-conform-to-life-directing-imperatives... o.k., had enought?

I would never dream of telling you that you are leading a life of ''quiet desperation''. I would never suggest that people are depressed because they are depressing. I would never suggest to you that you could end your sad and terribly un-playful relationship(s) (work, marriage or otherwise)... I wouldn't dream of telling you that you should just hand in the keys to the executive washroom and walk out, or that you should wake up to the b.s. your education is indoctrinating you into, or that you throw out your T.V. It's not my place to tell you to wake up, to tell you to start living, I would not suggest in a million years that you go against what you doctor or shrink prescipe, I wouldn't dream of telling you to look into the eyes of your healthcare professional in order to first eveluate if he or she is indeed a glowing example of what to do or not do, I would hesitate to remind you that your body might just drop dead on the sidewalk tomorrow morning, (it might, you never know do you?) and suggest that you missed out on a crapload of fun that had been build up for the years following your untimely demise. These things I would never do.

To those members who read this and think something like ''Come on Jed, this is just not reasonable.'' I couldn't agree with you more. I am completely unreasonable, I live life without reasons (about 95% at present), and I am free. If freedom is unreasonable to you, then you are in a detention center or your own making... and believe it or not, you are free to walk out at any moment. The illusion of security provided by your cell is very, very temporary and perhaps, just perhaps, you are missing out on ''paradise'', whatever that is.

You asked how you could define ''paradise'' so it would work for you... can you see the silliness in that? Please reflect on it and let me know.

So, thank you Parsley, and all other contributors to my world, for the opportunity to play.

Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Burn
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2019, 01:47:37 pm »
Thank you too, Jed, for the opportunity to play. And for the elaborated reply. It took some time to reflect...

I asked: "Have "you" lost the ability to deny that it's all a play?"
And I`ve found your answer somewhere: "There is no need for me to live in the stable awareness that it is all play, there is no awareness that it is not all play..."
That was my hunch....  :)

Back to paradise! Or Freedom! What is that? Constantly feeling good? Is that possible? The bright side without the contrast of the dark side?
I would say, paradise or freedom can only be a synonym for true nature. In the dream world "I" have made sometimes (not stable) the experience that the optimum (paradise) is to stay connected with the true nature. This does not inevitably lead to happiness but to the loss of unhappiness and loss of overwhelming fear. Simply to be free of worries! What else is important?
Trust instead of worries! Sounds easy but Maya is in control of emotions and will, isn't she?
But with the awareness that it's all a play it's all changing. (By the way, if I confront people with the statement that it's all a play, bad idea, they are usually not amused, which is part of the game, of course, no reason to complain, better not break the rules).
So for me paradise IS. There is paradise (it's all a play, with no real worries possible, only pretended) and maya (it's all real and not a play and you have a lot of reasons to worry, really worry).
Oh, what do I realize? It's the believe that there is a you, a real you, where all the trouble, the problems, the worries, and the expulsion from paradise starts.
Finally it's time to come home (which was never really left), isn't that the script of the play? Or is it silly wishful thinking? How can a you come home if it does not really exist? How can it leave home if there is nothing but home? It's all for the sake of the play and for entertainment. And your job, Jed, in this dream theater is some kind of home attendant or direction signer?..
Well, I am just playing a little, I like it, seems to be my nature....

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Re: Burn
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2019, 01:11:42 am »
Thank you for sharing. Right on, and in my hallucination it's every bodies nature... to play... and ssoooo many left that back at kindergarten. (which I believe is German for ''children's garden''. Remember?

Ohh... yeh, regression. My new word for the day.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Burn
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2019, 04:52:28 am »
Yes, Kindergarten is a german word used in english language. Funny! (Guess it was a german initiator for children's gardens....)
"Soooo many left the nature to play back at kindergarten!" Is it any wonder that dissatisfaction is going round in the so called adulthood if the play instinct is suppressed? Is that really human adulthood?
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Re: Burn
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2019, 06:52:29 am »
No H/A in my books... mayber adultish at best.

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Re: Burn
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2019, 01:09:48 pm »
In an interview a guitarist said: "I do not practice guitar, I play and discover."
My own experience shows that this is the most effective way to go and create.
Breathe, relax, play and discover.
Do I have to learn this? Or is it my nature (natural surrender)?
Is it going this way automatically if resistance of the mind falls away?

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Re: Burn
« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2019, 01:02:15 am »
You don't have to learn or practice, you only have to remember. It was what you did for the first seven (more or less) years of life. You jsut forgot.

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P.S. No GO REMEMBER!

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Re: Burn
« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2019, 08:54:13 am »
 :) Oh yes, I remember. Love ya.
In german language there is a word for inventor called "Erfinder", which means something like "Finder", i.e. to find what is already there, or in in other words: Remembering.

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Re: Burn
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2019, 11:04:29 am »
 ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Burn
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2019, 11:05:46 am »
A dreamt character appears: "Am I going round in circles? What do I achieve? Where will I go to? Why was I born? Are those questions stupid? Is it all pointless? Is entertainment pointless? I guess, yes, if it's bad, but if it's good...what means good? Exciting! Intelligent! Surprising! Creating curiosity! Can it be that there is one master finale that's topping every other ending in the never ending dream stories?
It's all meaningless! It's a dream!
What an end to recognize this! What a resistance like a big levee trying not to realize this, oh, when the levee breaks...is it the end? Or the beginning of natural flow that was trying to get restored from the beginning of its blocking?"
A voice appears: "Greetings from the little bastard. Good to see you again. Jump on and let go."
Dreamt character: "Don't know what's going on. Feels like the end. So what! Sooner or later everyone dies. Even Jed, although that would be a little sad, he's so different."
Voice: "Welcome to truth. Truth is different. Always will be. Different to what it's not."
Dreamt character: "Is it true that every dreamt character loves truth in the core of the heart, beneath the tons of garbage?"

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Re: Burn
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2019, 11:20:36 pm »
What is ''true'' is a moving target, you can't get a clear shot. How can some discipline like science talk about what is true when the can't tell you what an atom or an electron really is. Have a look at my most recent ''Rant''... I think it will contribute to your understanding.

Love ya, Jed