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J?

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Cyclic questions (answers)?
« on: October 26, 2014, 11:26:57 pm »
Hi to all! Since I started with the SA process I've been getting these cyclic answers and questions and I would like to ask for your advice if any of you has been here:
All that I know as reality (universe, time, space, existence) is structured from a group concepts (ideas or thoughts)..
so... concepts? a concept can be defined by comparing one thing with another thing (concept). So at least two things(concepts)
are required in order to make any comparison which brings duality to the table... so two things (DIVISIONS) of what??
then I get divisions of nothing just no existence.... I don't think it is possible to get pieces from no existence so they can be compared in order to generate more fictional divisions and so forth....
And finally I have a bunch of concepts trying to get something real but again "real", "I", "have", "trying" and "etc..." are just other concepts that come from separating nothing or just simple not existence....
And this cycle goes on and on....always leading me to No Existence and the fictional divisions of it...... IT? and here I go again.... I?
...Thanks to all!!!

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 11:32:15 pm »
Dear J:

Thanks for that and welcome to the forum.

Your brevity is appreciated.

Now, a questions, are you really getting cycles, or... are you getting something more like a spiral? Back to what appears to be the same point, but actually on a different level?

In addition, you have a bit to much 'mind', so let's use it. How quickly can you cycle. Seriously, does it happen over weeks, or days? Find out and then shorten it, just a little, then a little more. In the end, you should be using you skills to cycles every minute, then every second... then... Bob's your uncle.

Feedback welcome.

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 12:02:27 am »
Hi Jed! thanks a lot for welcoming here and your response...
I've been going from belief to belief, from Christianity (which was imposed from school), Scientific and logical approaches, against religion, Meditation, Qigong to Tolle BUT I always had a strange feeling
that I was moving from a group to another finding the new one as the new "truth" (all the others are wrong) and when you mentioned that in your books that really resonated with me (thanks for that Jed)..
Sorry for my English as Spanish is my natural language...

You're right the cycles feel like spirals made of concepts (which are separations of no existence) and I always get to the point where "I Have no existence"
and who is "I" who is now aware of no existence? and is it possible?.... all these questions are concepts made of.... oh oh.... spiral again!!

I guess I can cycle faster than a second but there's no time or space as they're just concepts (pieces of no existence)
and again who is "I"? my definition (concept) of "I" is: Perceptions and thoughts, again.. pieces of Nada.

Please let me know what do you think.

Thanks!!

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 01:57:20 am »
Have you read my recent two part rant?

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2014, 05:07:44 pm »
Thanks Jed, I'm working with both parts and here are the results:

1. Felt strong resistance (gut discomfort and fear) at the beginning while letting go of the "I". I guess that "I" felt threatened and scared of being no more.
2. there are two "I"s or two pieces of "me" separated by that resistance (fear) 
3. The "I" that "perceives" feels bigger and the conceptual (memories, ideas, etc.) "I" is way smaller.
4. Even the small pea feels a little bit of fear so it's easier to let go.
5. After working with this technique there is a peace and calm feeling that lasts for a short period of time.

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2014, 08:11:37 pm »
Jed and everybody in this forum: I'm gonna keep working until I'm done. Don't know if done could be better or worse than my current "reality" but definitely I'm gonna keep looking for truth, until there's nothing to be found anymore....I'm really tired of that better-worse game and I know that there's just a never ending "happy" and sad feeling thing if I keep going that way. maybe I'm writing here because everybody else around me is playing that sick game and I feel alone and against everything else....or maybe I'm just scared of the possibility of leaving that sick game (what I believe I am).... Don't know if this make any sense at all... being afraid of killing a lie and all its components that are based on lies, spirals of dreams that aren't real at all.....

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 11:38:50 pm »
Dear J:

Thoughts for you. BK has a few points that I like. I respectfully paraphrase.

Do you want to be right or happy?

You can spend a lifetime contemplating these, or, you might just read them and find something inside you saying, 'Damn, that makes sense, why not embrace it?'. I prefer the latter.


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P.S. You make complete sense to me.

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 11:01:16 am »
Thanks for your thoughts Jed, they are always appreciated.

"happy or right"? This question made me go deeper to: What really do "I" want?

Answer: Just a constant state of NO JUDGEMENT that's all.

But not acting like "Ok, I won't judge that"...or.."this time I won't compare this"..Also I could think "Ok, I'm happy"....or..."I'm right so now I can be happy about it" but all of this feels like I'm going back to a belief system....

On the other hand, I'm embracing the fact that there's only no existence, nothing more, nothing less... Working with SA I always get to that conclusion (after several spirals) but it seems that I'm expecting in some way to feel it? so then I can realize it??



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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 01:02:37 am »
Regarding judgments, BK does the best work on that.

Quite simply, I suggest you give up seeking non-judgment. The main occupation of humans is to judge. For millions of years we have had to judge good from bad in order to survive. It's not judging that is the problem, it's taking them so damn seriously, or, as BK points out, believing them.

Judging has it's place, and fighting it is just more judgment. Noah Elkrief has some similar work on it. You may enjoy his Youtubes or book.

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2014, 12:19:37 pm »
Dear Jed,
I have been experiencing fear to awake from this dream called "reality" (made up of layers of thoughts = illusions on top of more illusions).
This is just fear to the unknown and this very same fear holds the illusion all together.
Fear doesn't make sense at all....
So how can "I" be afraid of something that "I" don't have a clue what it is??? How can "I" judge (divide) something that is not or "I" haven't experienced?

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2014, 12:37:22 pm »
"I" know now that this fear is not produced by whatever "is" "out there". Fear is produced by "my" thoughts....which makes fear just another layer of illusions on top of more illusions...

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 06:43:33 am »
Yup...

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 08:30:35 am »
Dear Jed:

1) Question: an interrogation about certain topic directed to someone in order to get a response.
e.g: dear Jed: How can "I" defeat Maya and be free?

2)Assertion: a positive declaration ( I found out that it is most of the times without any support or evidence, so I think it is closer to an assumption than a declaration)
e.g: I know that everything including "myself" is nothing but an intricate set of divisions of no existence.

3)Declaration: To express an idea that is a fact or is going to be one. (to be put into practice)
e.g: This is war.

4)Promise: a commitment to do or not something.
e.g: There is no stop for "me" until I'm done.

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 11:25:53 am »
Dear Jed,
here is another question: how can "I" jump from the burning building?

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Re: Cyclic questions (answers)?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 10:50:36 pm »
Dear J;

Well, quite obviously it's a metaphor. What do you think is keeping you from letting go? Have you ever jumped off a cliff in a dream and then found you could fly?

Love ya, Jed.