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Doubts; Intelligence
« on: January 16, 2017, 11:56:40 am »
Hi,

How much intelligence is needed to realize truth? Is any intelligence needed at all? Is the "knowing" of the truth stored in the brain? Could the realization be lost due to brain damage?

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Re: Doubts; Intelligence
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 02:20:03 am »
Dear E:

Welcome to the forum. I don't have a clue other than to say your questions mean little because you are talking about components of the dream. Truth is what the dream and all else exists within. Intellectualization from me are of little value to you.

Find out for yourself and you will then ''own'' you knowing.

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 04:45:44 pm »
I've had some moments in my life where nothing mattered, all where elements in the dream, I was happy and full of love... but it's all **** and giggles until some physical **** happens, like bumping your feet or getting shot... you realize that you were delusional and that even if life is a dream, the physical still has control over you... it's truly depressing. Maybe the way I felt was just feel good bullshit mentalization, instead of truly realizing life to be a dream, idk...

Is even physicality a dream aspect created by ourselves? Or are even enlightened sages subject to it's laws? Even Ramana and Nis died of cancer, their "divinity" meant nothing to the physicality of the world...

Those questions may seem a little off topic, but if a T/R person is still subject to physical laws, how can this person dare to say "life is but a dream"?

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 11:35:01 pm »
R and N never died because the real R and N were never born. The same applies to you and I.

The bodies we appear to have are just space suits for this human adventure. They eventually wear out, but You and I don't.

Yes their bodies appeared to have cancer, but that was insignificant to the real self.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. You are asking good questions.



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Re: Doubts; Intelligence
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2017, 07:40:26 pm »
How blessed can a person be to consider this pool of suffering an adventure! In my actual state, I still believe that the truestish words ever spoken came from Buddha: "life is dukkha"

You fall in love; you end up hating.
You become a professional soccer player; you brake your legs.
You gather knowledge; You have a stroke and lose everything( look at how miserable Ram Dass is now, he tells people that the stroke was blessing, but I don't really believe in that, he probrably feels miserable inside )
etc...


There are just so many ways your life can be ruined it's not even funny.

So, anyways, does realizing the truth actually changes the object, instead of just the subject? I mean, if you were inside a burning building, I don't think you would just sit there, seeing all as perfect... I think that even a t/r person would do something, ie changing the object.

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 07:54:29 pm »
Even Ramana thought this human experience sucked total ass, because he was almost all the time on jhana/samadhi, escaping from life using mystical states. Not really different from a depressed weed smoker who trips just to escape.

Nis chain smoked cigarettes and probrably used mystical experiences to escape too.

The real question is, why would god torture himself? Infinite capacity for ignorange and stupidity, that must be it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 08:53:29 pm »
If there is a God (and in my never-very-humble-opinion there is not on in the general sense of the word) then the only torture he/she makes humans endure is the continuing and self-perpetuating meme that they are inside a body when the exact opposite is true.

Love ya, Jed. (sent form somewhere else, about 40 ft to the left of my apparent body... just kidding. I am actually everywhere.)

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 07:21:33 pm »
Hmmm, interesting. This is kinda the way I feel, I don't feel like I reside in the body, but that the body is an appearance in my perception field. In the field of image, there is no difference between my hand and the table right there... but in the field of touch, the difference is big. Still, even pain doesn't botter me much anymore, if I hit my toe, I may scream in agony, or better, my body will... but if I just observe the pain, the pain too becomes an appearance, making it more tolerable, but still sucking anyways. Recognizing each appearance as it is, be it pain, a thought, any type of perception... maybe this could lead me to T/R? Autolisys doesn't really work for me...

One time I went pretty deep into the practice, and when I realized, I was not me anymore; I was a little girl, in the middle of a windy cloud, holding onto a flying ship. That was amazing, I felt kinda like the old man who dreamed of being a butterfly, that didn't knew if he was a butterfly or a man... but now I'm bound to this illusion again, unable to change or migrate to a better "world".

I have all the proofs showing me that life is an illusion, I understand it intellectually, but I still need to "realize" it, to know it, I think.

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2017, 03:20:39 am »
The only way you can ''think'' there is a better world is for there to be a you doing the thinking. This world will never get better, or worse, it just is... but that ''isness'' is only an appearance and a meaningless one in a dream in which you are the dreamer, the dream and the actor within.

Stop seeking a better world, some change or relief of some kind. That seeking will only hide your Truth realization because you are look for it where it isn't to be found. Of course Truth is everywhere but looking in the dream just doesn't work.

Love ya, Jed
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 05:11:48 pm »
Even physical life is as real as a dream is, dreams are completely manipulable, because you know you are the creator of it, the same applies to someone who is T/R in relation to the physical world....

In our raw experience, there are no atoms, cells, viruses, protons and neutrons... there is just sensing...

I remember that before formal education, everything I believed would happen, even if it went totally against rational scientific thinking;

Before formal education: Having a headache? Just drink this green tea and have some good sleep. And poof, cured.

After formal education: Having a headache? Get your blood levels checked, get a brain scan etc... go to the doctor, do what he says you should do, if it works it works, if not, according to medicine, you probrably have a chronic condition and will never be cured.

The same headache, different bullshit. What do you think of this, Jed?

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 05:19:11 pm »
Btw Jed, thanks for answering mine's and other's questions always with love and understanding. Congratulations for not being just one more of those enlightened nondual assholes who likes to mock the human conditions of other people because they're 'worldly'

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 11:20:51 pm »
Yes, much of the world is the same headache and different b.s. Strangely perfect yet less than optimal... all at the same time.

I suggest you just relax, breath deeply from you belly, and be as aware as possible of everything that arises to you. Remember that nothing that arises is real, it's just a very effective illusion, a very durable illusion, but a dream none the less.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2017, 11:57:49 am »
By choosing to let go of worldly pleasures and rest in the self, the worldly life becomes pointless... we are born into this world to experience the sandbox experience, experience the illusion and be egoic. There's no point in becoming enlightened because it wouldn't affect your 'person life' in any positive way, unless what you truly desire is T/R, in this case, maybe it would be easier to just commit suicide(physical) and get T/R instantly without struggling.

Look at Ramana, why was that guy even alive? He had nothing to do in the world anymore, it was just a boring monkey life for him... I could understand a T/R person staying in the world just so that she can experience 'person' pleasures, but, what's the point of staying alive if you are going to live on diapers for the rest of your life, or like some advaita people like to say, a non hedonistic and humble lifestyle? Isn't the point of beign a god, not only being a god, but actually having the powers of a god? I am the master of reality, yet, I can't change a single thing on it. T/R seems to me an amazing concept, but it has no practical application.

I know that there's is no free will, but thoughts and desires seems to appear, and making some desires come true would bring me pleasure, so, Jed, is there a way to manipulate reality, something like law of attraction?

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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2017, 02:08:25 pm »
Where is this karma new agers talk so much about? Law of action and reaction surely seems plausible to me, but karma? Pfff

There is indeed always a reaction to an action, but this doesn't mean that this reaction will work as a punishment for evil doers and as a blessing for good people...

I may rob a bank and live rich and happy for the rest of my life, or I might rob a bank and have to spend the rest of my life in jail... same action, different reactions...

Lately, I'm not seeing any benefit in being a good person, if there's no hell or karma to punish me, why be afraid? It's good for other people to believe there's karma, this way they won't do any bad for me, but it's good for me to believe there's no karma, this way, I can do whatever I want.

Surely, I am no sadist and I won't go out of my way to **** with people's lives, but, if something brings benefit to me, I wouldn't be afraid to do evil things to accomplish my goals... me before others, right? What benefit would I get from helpíng people anyways? Their simpathy? What can I do with it?

Just venting about morality and this never ending mania of religions always putting this "be kind to others, like they mattered more than you, even tough you're both the same ****" thing as one of their precepts
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2017, 12:53:08 am »
Karma is NABS (new age bull ****). There is no benefit in being a good person or a bad person. Benefit resides in a story in your mind. Whatever you are going to be is what you will be, and the little ''you'' has pretty much no say in the matter. How much clout could it have when it doesn't even exist... it's just stories upon stories upon stories....

99% of all religion is just a musty old version of NABS. They had to make 1% truthish or no moron would ever buy into it. But hey, God bless them. They know  not what they do... and leads to the question..  do you?

Love ya, Jed.
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