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Jed McKenna

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2014, 07:30:10 am »
Salt the slug,

just make sure you life isn't a fine example of lipstick on a pig.

Be fiercely honest.


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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2014, 05:19:51 am »
Salt the slug,

just make sure you life isn't a fine example of lipstick on a pig.

Be fiercely honest.


Love ya,  Jed.

My life? I'd say it is lipstick on a pig, but that depends on whether if the lipstick goes well with the pig. :P

Before I go into how my life is a sham (would life be worth it if it wasn't?), I want to talk about some thoughts from S/A (let's call it slug-salting!):

1. All that is, is.
2. Reality is real.
3. I know that I don't know.
4. It really doesn't matter what happens.
5. I think therefore I am.
6. We are not meant to be happy.

1. All that is, is. That statement is a tautology.  It's true by being linguistically impossible to be false. That which exists must persist further. That is how 'Maya' works. The concept of 'is' is no more than a linguistic construct for convenience, just like anything else (especially on this forum, which is only words).:P

2. Reality is real. Existence exists. What I mean is that this is it.  Nothing outside of one's reality is real. What I perceive to be objective reality is my subjective reality, and therefore creates the illusion of 'real,' therefore it is real. Anything outside of it is unreal. Ironically, to go further, I have to go to the unreal. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Also note, all reality is subjective since all objective reality to be real must be viewed by a perspective; even if there is some 'God' who views from all perspectives at once all the time, he doesn't have the ability of the truly limited perspective, therefore misses on objective reality and only approaches it asymptotically.

3. I know that I don't know. Anything that can be known is unknowable. All knowledge is predicated by a proposition. This proposition must point to an aspect objective reality, and if it does so, we can call it a 'fact.' Each fact only shows a slice of objective reality, and if it is a good fact, you will know its creator's meaning quickly. A fact is a finger, and the real is the moon. A fact can be true if it points in the right direction and is verifiable, but a fact cannot be true just as no matter how long my finger points to the moon, it will not become the moon. True prose is not the Truth. The point of the gate is for it to not exist. Therefore, the attempt at knowing something instantly destroys the original thing, modifies it, and then creates a concept that gets in the way of knowing the Truth. Each concept created can be a fact, but each fact fails to be the Truth of the matter. The irony of this is before we attempt to know the state of things as they are, we know the state of things as they are. If I attempt to know something, I do not know it. I can only know that I know nothing. There is no end to ignorance, since knowledge's purpose is to create ignorance, and ignorance's purpose is to create knowledge. Knowing that I do not know, that is the only piece of knowledge that is not ignorance for I know ignorance, which is all that can be known. (Thanks Socrates)

4. It really doesn't matter what happens. It really doesn't, it's all a good show.

5. I think therefore I am a thinking thing. I might have touched on this before. My thinking generates me. It is the chicken and the egg, it is the Red Queen (All the running you can take just to stay in the same place). I think so I continue to exist. Thought, logic, and emotion all exist to reinforce an I, and in turn to reinforce themselves. All of these structures only exist to run as fast as they can to stay in the same place.  (Thanks Descartes)

6. We are not meant to be happy. Happy is a relative term. Our happiness is not important to us. Or at least it is not as important to us as we think. Humanity has cognitive dissonance, we wish to be happy, but it goes against their desire for Truth, so we must compromise and get neither. Seek Truth, and happiness will chase after you. Seek happiness, and Truth will drive you insane until all you want is Truth (my predicament :P).

If those logical arguments aren't lipstick on a pig, then I don't know what is. :P

Ok then. Is my life a sham? Well yes, I don't really work, or do anything, or go anywhere, but I pretend to do so. The worst part is that I have a hard time believing my own acting anymore thanks to S/A. :P

Ok, on to further. I guess this whole slug-salting business is just to get the slime out of the way so I can see the Truth. I'm tired of dealing with slime, but it is all slime.

I took a little thought experiment the other day and thought: "If the Red Queen (Maya) is the creator of reality, the master of illusion, and the queen of all that is, was, and ever will be, the queen of both yin and yang, duality, and all the manifold that comes from duality. Then who is the Black King?" (Keep in mind I have no desire to create a new pantheon based on Alice in Wonderland or decks of cards, but it's an interesting thought experiment). I thought: "The Black King would have to be the king of the world that never was. The Red Queen would always be winning, but never win. She'd be incredibly fair, but he would be merciful. His non-existence would counteract her existence, and his non-dual nature would counteract her duality, creating another duality above duality, therefore the Red Queen would always be winning, but the Black King's nature would be meant to escape her duality, so she can never win." The irony of this god/goddess combo would be that the more you believe in the Black King, the more powerful the Red Queen is, and the more you believe the Red Queen, the more she weakens with no effect to the Black King. The more you see the illusion, the less powerful it gets, and the Truth is not effected by the un-truthes. Just an interesting thought I had.

Further is beyond my reality. Let's go 
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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2014, 07:37:58 am »
Won't respond. You must have missed the rule, 250 words max.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2014, 04:10:17 pm »
Is that a new rule? Didn't know about that.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2014, 12:16:05 am »
New Rule, posted about two weeks ago in name of efficiency and cutting through b.s.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 04:09:28 am »
Hey Jed,

How do you know when you found something true?

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 04:13:46 am »
Hey Jed,

How do you know when you found something true?

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Actually, better question: why should I believe any answer you have to that question?

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 04:21:13 am »
Dear R:

The challenge is this, there are no answers to your questions, none at all. There is no value in any answer, throw it out.

It's the state of being in 'not knowing' that is of value.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 04:26:20 am »
Dear R:

The challenge is this, there are no answers to your questions, none at all. There is no value in any answer, throw it out.

It's the state of being in 'not knowing' that is of value.

Love ya, Jed.

Sometimes I feel that you, Jed, are just a fiction so I can feel like I am not just talking to myself. Or perhaps it's the other way around.

Throw out the need for an answer? I thought that truth realization was to get away from the place of not knowing. Oh...



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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 04:31:48 am »
Woah...that's spooky.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2014, 04:37:57 am »
Truth is, but you can't know 'it'.

How could you know truth, that would make truth less than you, now THAT'S spooky.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. You can't know it, but can know it is... more spooky.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2014, 06:34:41 am »
I>Truth?

Man, I feel like I just need out. I want out. I want to stop chasing things and all these circles and just come to a real understanding of everything.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2014, 08:26:23 am »
So what's stopping you? It's in our face. WHAT IS STOPPING YOU RIGHT NOW?

Don't write back until you at least have some idea. Even a guess will suffice for now.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2014, 08:34:07 am »
If I had to guess... I would say me. I am what is stopping me from being free. Any direction I pointed blame in ended with me.

Actually, it's more ridiculous than that. You could say that I am the prison guard and the prisoner, but it's more like I am just the prison guard guarding an empty cell. Nothing in there, why am I chaining it up? It's absurd and insane. I'm frantically guarding nothing. My imprisonment is not that I am in the box, but that I am making sure everything stays in the box all the time.

Lol, it reminds me of "it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place".

Anyway, thanks Jed, I appreciate your help and patience with my insanity. I look forward to your thoughts. I want to go further.

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Re: Dream within a dream
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2014, 11:41:19 pm »
Hey Jed,

I haven't heard back from you. How do I stop entrapping myself?