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Jed McKenna

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 03:59:39 am »
How else could a book and ''surrender'' end up?

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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2017, 07:25:37 pm »
Hi. I am still having the surgery in front of me and I realised that the physical condition is having such a big influence on my psyche (paradoxically, not opposite), that I go into the darkest depressions. Today I had a bad experience, where lawyer from one Department has been calling me and I felt threatened by her telling: "Be carefull on your words, we can give you a penalty for offending an officer!" Yet I spoke no single offense. But this story has triggered in me this deep feeling of injustice and suffocation. Like what the heck is this I do live in? And why should I be threatened by speaking out loud what I think? And than I became so seriously depressed that I was just dreaming of a state where I would simply close my eyes and never wake up again. NEver have to see people again. Never see all this hell. I feel worried of European civilization. I feel it is going to crash and it had a good pieces of art. I feel that inteligence is illegal in this universe, therefore there is so much of suffering. I do not know what I have done to whom that I had to experience repetitive mistreatment. The worse thing is, that far more I tried to heal, far more I failed. Sorry about using so much of "I, I, "I". Dont know how to use language. When I tried to heal my trauma, I was retraumatized even in higher manners. When I tried to stand up towards the injustice, the bully of the power turnt even more. And finally, I am supposed to be the one who is wrong, or extreme? sometime, I wish to be deleted. I wish my memory be deleted. The question if the emotional pain would heal, if in that case the possibility of returning to life would be appealing, this question is irelevant, because "if emotional would heal" would need to happen, not just theorise about.  And I have lost hope, faith and the capacity of being joyfull from being between humans. They are wierd, not me.

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Re: Hm
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 01:15:30 am »
You created it all... so what are you going to learn from it all.

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 03:18:44 am »
I do not know what I should learn. Maybe responsibility and self respect. And disilusionment from many things. I feel I have failed in a very basic levels of discernment on spiritual path. I let myself to be conned and I do not know if this does not happen again. It might be happening right now.  I feel so upset on those officers threatening me just for my own opinion. I was just honest. Seem to have many problems with the way I communicate with people. Often feel very misunderstood and therefore mistreated and its tiring. People get offended even I do not mean to offend them and after they treaten me with paying a fee. Communistic, power abusive motherfuckers. I hate anyone trying to show me like "bububu be a good girl or we do ...". I can not handle anyone showing their depcitable and illusory power over me.  I truly do not know what to learn from rigid, backward people. Probably that I am not going to change their mentality. I wish to. What do you think I should learn? My physical experience is making me to lose connection with the body. I dont know how to express it it happens meanwhile i write and its strange.

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Re: Hm
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2017, 01:00:06 am »
The first thing to do is shut up... stop talking and stop telling people what is real for you. Don't worry, you won't explode... and, this may come as a blow, but no one cares what you think, especially when it's not what they think.

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2017, 08:05:01 am »
I was thinking about what I learnt.
1.) Its wierd to be in the body of mammal, part of the specie which behaves like a mutant of rats and monkeys.
2.) I used to blame myself of everything. Especially, in the relationship with men. The African- French "shaman" who was imprisoned targeted me once emotionally with: "Its all your fault that I got upset with you!" I used to be long time ashamed for being smart just because of the men like this. Whose insecurities get trigered - but lack of others people inteligence is nobody's fault.
3.) I prefer to be considered infinitively arrogant and proud , with the ego bigger than the universe , if they think. ITs still better than to be stupid.
4.) I realised that its better to be condemn for the choices I take myself and live the life which others do not understand, rather than to be listening to the advices of people who are anyway full of the projections. When I took fatal advices of others to my heart, till today I still reproach them to influence me. Next time, need to think for and by myself. Listen to no one.
5.) There is no solution in going back to tribal lifestyle.

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 01:23:30 am »
Thanks for sharing Nor.

Best wishes for the future.

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2017, 04:42:07 pm »
The first thing to do is shut up... stop talking and stop telling people what is real for you. Don't worry, you won't explode... and, this may come as a blow, but no one cares what you think, especially when it's not what they think.

Love ya, Jed.

thank you. Yes, the lawyer took that case. The officers truly did a mistake. I did not tell to the officers, what is real for me, but what (legaly) needs to be done - and it will be done, sooner, or later. Yes, it is true, art has been always undermined by the communistic or postcommunistic regimes. If people like Vaclav Havel or Milan Kozelka  would not write or get themselves to be imprisoned, the communistic regimes would never fall. And I am gratefull they did not keep quiet. Maybe that reality has more subtle levels and maybe, without pushing people to stick to the law, and to basic human rights, in relative world the thing would not change. Maybe I did not write this from the "highest perspective", I do not know that perspective. But from the very relative perspective. And when I searched my motives, surprisingly, was to help something bigger, maybe how the art is treated or positioned in the society. For me, it is very symbolic kind of violence, just to threat me with penalty only by not fitting into certain categories. They might not care what I think, but they will need to stick to the law - and there is no dignity in threatening anything  or anyone uncomfortable. But I will let the people who understand the law to take care of it, not interfere.

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2017, 05:52:28 pm »
The midnight turned here, two posts in one hour but two days.
In about 33 hours I go for this big surgery. IT is funny you tell me stop talking. Was alone for five months, talking only to my puppy. When last time a person told me "I do not care what you think of them", it has been a woman who has been used by the African-French  man to blackmail me (they sold me something, after stole it from me and after wanted half of the money for using it). Or, when someone tells me: "It is all just your mind". Those phrases are usually used when someone just disagrees with me.
It might have been easier to commit suicide (And I know I am going to lose a lot of blood and will need transfusion), sometimes I was thinking might be better not to wake up from the surgery. Yes, I can not tell doctors what I think (about the bleeding), they will be surprised.
Friend visited me and told that what I describe about the Africa seems like lot of gaslighting happened there - why someone tries to break ego of someone else by making them to doubt themsleves, their sanity, their self worth, to break their spirit. Yes, they as well did not care what I thought, but it did not break me fully. Because the dignity is untouchable.
I am sorry but this post is longer. Will not be on the internet long time.  I was just thinking, if the anestheziologist can switch off the body, who am I? Who are all those experiences? What if I will be able to see the surgery from the perspective of "conciousness"? I do not want to hear all the comments of the doctors.  It would have been easier simply to wake up in heaven, and not here between people I do not like and they do not understand me, and therefore repetitively mistreated me. MY mum told that I am full of self pity, but what. Really often ask myself, why this had to happen to me, what have I done to whom?
I was thinking that it is possible that the reason of msitreatment might be this wierd way of smartness which creates lot of insecurity. When I was 13 they found something and for 3 weeks tested, mainly iq. Not in the psychic ward, but in the diagnostic centre. Did not tell me result unless many years later. I thought I failed, I thought was stupid. They did not tell, because were too high. Till today I feel ashamed to tell the result. "We needed to cover it up, it was way too high and you were a girl from poor and broken family." IF the inteligence  and potential is given into the circumstances where nobody cares of it, than there is no need for it to continue, because it will only get destroyed by the relatively separated minds. So, if there is no reason for it because of them, and not because of me, there is no reason for it, at all.

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Re: Hm
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2017, 06:10:27 am »
Thanks for sharing Nor... best luck with the surgery.

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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2017, 05:46:01 am »
This surgery has been the most brutal thing i ever experienced.
They had a problem to put me INTo narkosis and even bigger problem to wake me Up after.
I was sort of predicting this But could not tell to anyone.
After i was sent from icu to after care room and they took opiates away i told that it was a joke to wake me Up. You also dont wake Up the cow in the middle of the butchery .
I regret i signed the papers who agreed with those cuts. Better let the nature tô do Its way. No need to save human for all cost.
i had a very funny experience during the narkosis.
I did not tell tô the doctors.
It was very freeing. Black world. After was a nothing world. No me world. Was very cool. Soaking itself in . Black hole.

After they yell at me: "open your eyes, open your eyes!!! "

And this place soaking everything in. And Its very free ing from itself from everything.

I heard voices: nurse: "i dont have time tô wait for everyone tô take só long tô wake up from narkosis"
Anestheziologist (young) : "shut up, this normal with some people"
Anestheziologist (old) : "we have tô wake her stronger , or there Will be problem"
Nurse : " she is such a psycho"

This i hear only like in background But mainwhile this nothing place embrace me. Like soaks me. I hear them and than i dont hear them. Its like off and on.

After they told me that i was so upset when they woke me Up so i Started to sit down and looked like i am going to walk away from them.

Nurse was totally upset.

Docent who did surgery was patiently observing and old anesteziologist one was at first very soft and after very very loud. This i dont rěmember only heard.

The trip on ICU the opiates was good one.
I hear the upset nurse complaining to other nurses: "she just psycho she took so long to wake Up" the first what anyone tell me was this nurse ; "you problematic look on other patients they took a while to wake Up" ****.

After i observe the other nurses. They clean "my body" and its all like it happens to someone else. I came back and off to this nothing trip on the icu on the opiates But the narkosis nothing trip was stronger. Was very vivid nothing place soaking itself in. At first there was a black world. After there was a nothing world. There was no me no nothing.

After i hear old anesthesiologisrs calling me name: "wake Up"!!!

I dont have world counter.

I was very upset when they took me off the opiates. On them i had a dream i was flying as a bird. The result of the surgery were my wings.

But after i was not able to do even single step even to move from the bed. I felt handicáped. Upset to waken Up to the body. Crying because of physical pain and very full power pain. Like even the legs  not listening.

Doctor asked me Why are you crying? I was like thinking: @you ask me. Take me from this nothing place to this hell of physical pain and telling me i cant be more on opiates and the pain killers you give me just a little and it does not function ...
And i cant even explain you what happened. 🤥



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Re: Hm
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2017, 08:42:38 am »
I wish you a fast recovery.

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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2017, 01:02:20 pm »
Thank you.
Physical pain has taught me to see things from another perspective. Leaving the hospital (or running from the butcher act, so to feel), whatever I did , whatever technic (vipassana etc) -- all was just not to feel the pain, but nothing could stop it. As well it used to be funny to have a clear comprehension that this body does not limit me, but how much attached I used to be to its previous, not so destroyed look of it. where used to be shapes, there is one, big, ugly and owfull cut. Stitches. Brrrr.
No longer being sad because of the selfish, narrowminded and opportunistic attitudes of so many of mainstream Gurus, shamans and all those kind of bastards. If there were some faults in me, it was, because I have been too kind, too naive, too trusting. No giving single penny for truth anymore to anyone. However scary and ufnortunate my situation is, I have clean conscience.
I see my hands as not mine. I see this body walking. But it all has very inpersonal shades.
Maybe I have been stick on fighting for justice - is not in this world. Was simply mistreated, that is all.

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2017, 03:21:17 pm »
The first thing to do is shut up... stop talking and stop telling people what is real for you. Don't worry, you won't explode... and, this may come as a blow, but no one cares what you think, especially when it's not what they think.

Love ya, Jed.

those are examplse which matters, not the talks.
What makes you different to offer advices which you yourself fully contradict - in regards of speaking and talking.
I do care what I think, and that is more than enough and all what matters.
My donkey would never contradict his own teaching, which was always by an example - doing things for others, wanting nothing back, letting idiots to project their own qualities on him... maybe that true boddhisattvas (used that term on purpose, thinking about the passage where you try to manage not to jump out of the window) who understood, do incarnate as donkeys... most of the human gurus did not reach the quality of my donkey. they (donkeys) are not stupid as them (humans) - only human can feel important or superior by trying to set someone else up... and living a contrary of what they do advice...

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Re: Hm
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2017, 08:46:20 am »
Donkeys don't have ego... or, I don't think they do.

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