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notknowing

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How do we know there is only one consciousness
« on: July 16, 2017, 05:24:38 am »
Why is there this assumption that there is only one consciousness? How can we not know that every individual has their own consciousness?

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 01:04:22 am »
All assumptions are false, that's why they are called ''assumptions''. Please define what you mean by ''consciousness'' and perhaps we can continue with less assumptions.

In addition, the answer to all ''why'' questions is very simple.... ''because''. One need know nothing more in order to answer every ''why?''.

Now, why do you ask?

Unless, you want  to make up more... assumptions.

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2017, 11:53:24 am »
....Because.

Harharhar I get ya!

Yeah no I hear you Jed. Anything attached to thinking my ego is the be all and end all is just spinning my wheels. I guess to define consciousness again I'd say it's like the blank stage where all this stuff takes place including the stuff which seems to be taking place. It is becoming more felt over time. But yeahhh I'm still stuck in my attention being still on my ego. Unpleasant or boring things still suck and fun or delicious things are preferred. I desire stuff. Not stuff to prove myself to others but stuff that I just want. It's a felt and thought experience of desire. If I put my attention on what is not that experience isn't that still experience caused by my mind? Gurus talk of the self dropping but the self is part of consciousness just like everything that's occurring. So how can it drop? It seems like more of what might happen is it becomes no more significant than anything else. But I'm still at the point where a nice juicy steak eaten with a gorgeous woman on a tropical beach is more what my self prefers to have in  experience than catching the train home at 10pm after work. I can get a bit of peace from my skill at turning my attention away from my cognitions and into my senses in the now but that's just a little glimpse triggered by the mind.and that gets boring. Everything gets boring. I'm sure if I had enough steaks and tropical women that would get boring too. But I still want it.   I'm hungry 😋
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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2017, 12:41:37 pm »
It's pretty challenging to talk about these matters, but you say that the self is part of consciousness... and if we are to take C as meaning T, then  you are not correct, Nothing is a part of Truth, it only appears within it... no as a part or it. This is an important distinction.

How can you drop what isn't there, what does not exist? Tell me, I would love to know. The only real hunger is for Truth, the revealing/discovery of your true nature. Everything that arises does so in You, but that doesn't mean it's real. And that is definitely not the you that you think you are. Anything that appears to have a beginning will be found to eventually have an ending. Truth just is... or perhaps IS! Always has been and always will be because in Truth there is no such thing as ''time''.... another illusion.

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2017, 10:34:05 am »
I'm not sure which "you" You mean here do you mean the ego "you" or the TR "you"-. "Everything that arises does so in You, but that doesn't mean it's real. And that is definitely not the you that you think you are.

"Anything that appears to have a beginning will be found to eventually have an ending. Truth just is... or perhaps IS!" Consciousness doesn't appear to have a beginning and just is.

I can't know or experience outside of my consciousness so if the truth is beyond consciousness then how can it ever be known? It can't right?

So I read in another post you said remove a thorn with a thorn. So remove consciousness with consciousness. Can you offer any advice on that? If I try to write something true. I'd say truth is beyond my ability to know. If I can't know it what else is there to do? Knowing that hasn't popped my ego. Or changed anything

I'm sorry if I seem angry. I just am totally lost in this now


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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2017, 10:47:57 am »
I think I'm just too dumb to understand this. My mind can't know truth. Consciousness without mind is not truth. Trying to use some meditation technique won't get me to truth. Apparently there is no me. So what is typing this word and this word? And how can you say simply it doesn't exist? This right there > "this word"

before anything comes into my mind or whatever it doesn't exist is just a potential thought, as are senses and experiences outside my consciousness. So am I really that void of potential before the manifestation of thought because I don't get why that is significant

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2017, 11:20:20 am »
Blah,blah... you are trying to think your way through this, forget that, it cannot be done that way. Truth does not yield itself to analysis, it's completely paradoxical. Pursuing your thoughts, as you are, will end up in massive frustration... BUT, that can be very good if you reach that point and totally give up.

Once again, neither Truth nor I make any sense.... so don't waste time trying to figure it out, just accept what is, forgive EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in your life, take a deep breath and relax.

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2017, 08:53:32 pm »
Okay... I'm giving up on this stuff. Before I go do you have any tips on how to not think? Because it seems impossible
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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2017, 11:23:58 pm »
Just watch you thoughts and realize that none of them are yours... they are just recordings from the past that keep playing and replaying. Watch them and contemplate what you next thought will be. Much to be learned with a little dedications.

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2017, 10:58:47 am »
So why could I have thoughts in the past but now they are replays? Or do you mean that many of them are replays?

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2017, 12:27:37 pm »
If they are not replays the where to they come from... if you think you have and original thought, you are totally lost. And BTW, you are still trying to figure this out. Stop wasting you time and go shopping instead (approx. line from rock and roll song).

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2017, 08:37:24 pm »
Yeah I think that would be best. So every original song is not an original thought? The Beatles had already been played by cavemen 40000 years ago? I don't get you at all. My thoughts seem to come from a void, they are pointless and repetitive a lot of the time but some are new thoughts. They just pop into my consciousness so I don't seem to have any control over them, so I kinda feel like I'm just a witness to this random I folding of life. But what I'm observing is very different to whatever you are talking about. Like I have never really understood any of what you are saying. But apparently understanding won't help. Ok I get that. My mind can't do it. I get that. But if I do nothing because I can't and there is no free choice anyway then that's it. There's nothing to do just float along in this pointless life that is apparently an illusion. That doesn't stop me feeling pain or getting frustrated at my pointless desires that keep popping up. Because that's all part of the floating that I can't do anything about anyway. i kinda can't wait for death now
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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2017, 01:16:54 pm »
Here is us:
Me: why?
Jed: because
Me: why?
Jed because
Me: why?
Ahhhh for get about it!!

Thanks Jed. I'm going to really forget about everything. Life is a scam upon a scam. I'll keep scamming so I can eat. But I will forget about it so that it will stop caging up my soul. I dont care if I'm right or wrong. Forgetting gives me peace. Giving myself the option to forget feels like a shot of existence whiskey

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2017, 03:45:37 pm »
I'm so lost. I can't forget. I can't control my mind. I can't relax. I don't get it and can't use my mind to get it. So what do I use? How do I find "not mind" I don't understand and I feel so trapped in the matrix. Everywhere I look is wrong

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Re: How do we know there is only one consciousness
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2017, 08:34:25 am »
Of course everywhere you look is wrong. You are looking in the wrong direction.

Love ya, Jed.