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Jed McKenna

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2017, 11:19:11 pm »
Excellent plan Math... now stop reading and thinking about it... go do it!

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 11:58:25 am »
Okay, Jed Mckenna, i think this will be my last post, as I have done my searching.

I have practiced the" I am" and become aware of my self. Letting go of all thoughts emotions etc, just the feeling of pure "me". I'm feeling more free and free, I feel more control of myself, and my social inhibitions are going away.

So the thing to get wake up, is simply to achieve a mind free of thoughts and emotions and get a pure awareness of "I am" when I have accomplished this I have waked up right? This is what all the zen and yoga is about.

Thank you, Jed Mckenna, this is the end of my seeking, I am finally done searching for things to help me.

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2017, 09:44:01 am »
 ;) ;) ;) :P

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 08:50:48 am »
Hey JED again!  :D I know I wrote my last post, but there are still some things I am not clear about. I'm very sorry though.

It does not matter, if I do not grasp the principle, I will not have success with "I am", also not Sri Nisargadatta.

I researched much, and I ended up with Gurdjieff methods, he mixes yoga, Buddhism etc and made a system out of it, to wake up. What I do not get man is, that he says that emotion creates imagination.
He tells the first thing to do is to stop identifying with emotions, this is what I have done. I have focused on my negative emotions when they arise, i did everything to stop identifying with them you know as you say, I separate myself from the emotion so I see that I am not the experiencer of the emotion. I feel so a lot better, I feel so happy and so on and I feel that I have more free will.
But how do i kill these negative emotions? am i on the right path, using these Gurdjieff methods?

What i do not understand is, how am i able to take action, when i need to reach a state of no-thought? I need to make pictures in my mind to take an action right?




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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2017, 07:05:14 am »
I don't know enough about his methodology to presume to teach you in it. Just find something you like and will do and stick to it. There is no ''one'' way.

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2017, 06:54:27 am »
I don't know enough about his methodology to presume to teach you in it. Just find something you like and will do and stick to it. There is no ''one'' way.

Love ya, Jed.

Hey, again Jed. It does not matter. I found out Gurdjieff teaches basically the same as Maharaj but explains more. Gurdjieff also says the same that he waked up when his life was only 'I am'. Beyond emotions and thoughts. But there was such a big mistake I made. I thought that I need to mentally think 'I am' in my head, but that is completely wrong. The 'I am' is something I need to feel beyond thoughts and emotions.

By the way in your second book, you say something like emotions holds us back. But you never really explain how to drain the energy out of it, how do i do that?

Thanks for all the help Jed, appreciate it.

Best Regards Johnny

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 11:08:25 am »
It's too complex to go into on the forum. A certain way of experiencing them takes the importance out of them.. and that is a key.

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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2018, 11:25:53 am »
Hello Jed, I want to tell about my new situation here. So finally after reading the book many times 'I am That' i realized what the **** this guy is talking about, being aware.
It's about being aware of being aware. I have slowly stayed on 'I am' treated everything I see, hear and taste as not 'me'. I feel freer, I treat the life more like a joke.
But this doesn't work, I if am aware of my feelings or thinking as Nisargadatta says.
The problem is for example that I want to write some job applications to find a job, buuuut i have no motivation, and I know that I need a positive feeling to get this motivation. I need a picture in my mind of what I want to achieve right?
And if I begin to use thoughts, I will not be aware of being aware, they will past-future project themselves :(

1. So basically, I see what it is to stay detached from the dream, but how I can change the dream I am painting?

It is really a struggle to stay on 'I am' is almost impossible, and I feel I am stuck with it. I can stay away from my old habits, by I still have fear of the things I do not want to fear anymore.
It's this damm feeling in the solar plexus. I have tried to accept it, stop identifying with it, but that is not possible!
If there is no negative emotion involved then I have the feeling that it's just a dream, but once a negative emotion enters I can't detach myself from the dream :( And I have tried as Nisargadatta said to be aware of feelings and realize I am not them.
But I can't, I identify with them!

I can easily stop habits when I become aware of being aware. But then after some time an emotion 'fear' entrees and I can't stop identifying with it, and then I just continue to run on autopilot :(

Love you.

Thanks for help Jed! :)
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Re: How to wake up
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 03:46:17 am »
"You'' are ''painting the game''... are you sure about that? Look as see. Who is this ''you''? You appear to be fighting you fear... what for? What has you resisting what is? The way out is always through the middle of it.

Love ya, Jed.