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Michiel

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 11:29:59 am »
But now I want to put all thoughts out of my head.
Haha, good luck on that. So I reckon you're thinking about how to not think about it right? :D

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 04:54:15 am »
Hi Michiel,

Your thought is logical, but it doesn't follow from this that it's correct.

A very simple example of logic and absurdity at the same time:
"To a cow gave more milk and ate less, you need to milk it more and feed it less."

I used to have a mind that had me.
But now, thank God, from time to time I fall into a state of "crazy."
In this state, I don't analyze anything.
When I return to my mind, I have the thought that this was a state beyond the mind. And then this thought transforms into words.

And this is only part of the picture. It's impossible to describe in words what can't be described. :-)
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Michiel

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 06:25:58 am »
Hi Marina,

I think you quite succeeded in describing the impossible. ;)
Paradoxical seems like a fitting word here.
Words can only aim at something but never be it. But can words even help setting the environment for the experience? I think it might. :)
They still aren't it, but can lead to it.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 09:30:40 am »
I think I know something and know I cannot possibly. Not by thinking anyway.  Knowing is something in and of itself, akin to recognition.

If I think I know something I limit my knowing.  Thoughts are at best like petals of a flower that form around the intrigue of knowing.

Thinking can be thought through, tuned out, turned upside down and torn apart.  Thinking is learning to use words in sentences. It is akin to imagination. It's got nothing on knowing.


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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 10:59:40 pm »
Thinking is an attempt to set boundaries and confine, imagination is the opposite. Well... unless you are thinking that you are imagining or imagining you are thinking... then it's a dog's breakfast.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2017, 01:12:19 am »
Thinking is an attempt to set boundaries and confine, imagination is the opposite. Well... unless you are thinking that you are imagining or imagining you are thinking... then it's a dog's breakfast.
isn't imagination also made up of boundaries and confinements? and you don't need words for it, just like you can see a shape is different from another, or a color. you see how the blue of the sky is not the same as the blue of the sea, even if you don't have a word for it. perceived, imagined, pondered - what's the difference? all consciousness is made up of boundaries.
maybe you are referring to "personal" boundaries, personal identity thoughts, boundaries of boundaries.
as for the main topic, i don't know if the universe is projected by me or i experience an outer universe projected on me - but i don't think it ultimately matters.
why do thoughts come up? why does anything comes up? a certain instance of creation contains a certain thought.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2017, 06:37:46 am »
No more stories, what's you most important question.. and it can't start with ''why"?".

and, don't ask why it can't start with why, cause I will say ''because''.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 11:45:40 am »
No more stories, what's you most important question.. and it can't start with ''why"?".

and, don't ask why it can't start with why, cause I will say ''because''.

i have always compared the path with reading a book. you read and are absorbed in it, imune to "distractions" - but only when you find the book interesting ... the crises that push you beyond come and pass, as well as the interest. today i'm in "conflict" with the world, tomorrow i'm engulfed in it. if i look inside i find no impulse, the exterior is ever changing. how do you not lose your momentum? how about a failsafe mechanism? haha, guaranteed enlightenment...
i fear that if i go on with "reading" i'll get in a tighter place then the one i'm already in.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2017, 08:27:19 pm »
Be careful what you read... remember, GIGO.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2017, 05:36:36 pm »
Back in 2011 over a three day period I had numerous experiences where the body would begin to move to take some action and THEN the thought occurred to me to go do whatever the body had gotten up to do. It was a bit trippy and I was NOT on any mind altering substances. Hasnít happened since. It probably happens ALL the time Iím just too slow or not present enough to see whatís actually happening, donít know......as usual.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2017, 07:43:01 pm »
I "think" the question is:
What is beyond  thought?
 Tought is all i have learned, thought is all I have experienced,
thought is in all i do, feel, see. Though in my opinion is everything, thought creates my self, and my self is EVERYTHING for me.
Then, if there is no thought, there is no self, there is no I,
there is nothing at all beyond thought.
But you Mr Jed, say that yes, there is someting beyond thought, That emptiness is my "true self"
I want to see what is beyond, but it is someting impossible. My false self never can see the truth.
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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2017, 09:07:22 pm »
Yes, the false self can never see Truth.. so why cling to a false self? Not much sense in that.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. no on can ''see'' Truth, only realize that it is.

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2017, 03:19:22 am »
Some thoughts are quite enjoyable, erotic ones in particular. :)

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2017, 04:01:10 am »
Yup... but I don't believe them either...

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Re: Jed Rant: Thoughts on thoughts.
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2017, 01:41:31 am »
There is only one thing that you need to know and that is.. nothing is knowable.

Once you realize that you only knows stories about what appears to be... life becomes crystal clear.

Love ya, Jed.