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expelliarmus

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Life after death
« on: June 02, 2017, 09:39:22 am »
Hi Jed,

I have a question which I'm not sure you can answer but I'm gonna ask it anyways. I really need to know.

So when Jed McKenna dies (or any other "enlightened person") will it be like watching the rest of the play just without you on stage, in other words, will consciousness watch the universe unfold further, or will it just all be over and you will just rest as nothingness for eternity?

I hope this makes sense

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 11:42:50 am »
Dear E:

Welcome to the forum... and that's a good question.

However, it's the wrong question. You might want to ask yourself something like, ''Who is it that is asking.''.... or ''What am I fearing"?

Speaking from my own experience, I was never born and thus can never die. There is a body in this appearance, and it will eventually become worm food. I couldn't care less because it has nothing to do with the real me.

I am 99.99% confident that this will be your experience... some day. But, who knows and who cares. Be patient, relax and breathe... and do the best you can to understand your control issues.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 02:00:41 pm »
"What am I fearing"....well that's easy. I'm afraid that I will have to spend 2 years in excruciating agony :D :D

No but seriously though, thank you for your answer. This is basically the question that I've been asking myself for the last few months more or less 24/7 and it has brought up so much.....well...****. Which is really good.
It's just that I had this...let's say experience, which made me really scared and it made me realize that this is not at all what I want. But I don't think that any of this is in my control, so I'll just hope for the best :-\

PS: I didn't really think that there was a simple answer the question, but it was worth a try. Thank you anyways. I'll just keep doing my thing

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2017, 04:43:35 am »
Good plan E, look for what might die... see what's there, if anything.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2017, 09:39:18 am »
Hi Jed,

A couple of questions have popped up and my hope is that you can provide me with some insight.

1. Let's start with the most serious one: Looking back I see now that what fueled my search for enlightenment was a deep seated sort of demon/pain-body thing. In a way it always felt like it was burried under many layers, like it was really far away yet extremely accute. Now I feel like I have digged all the way down through all sorts of crap to the very source of it. But now I am stuck here. It really feels like a demon has his teeth in my legs and is constantly pulling me down and never letting go, which makes everyday life a drag. Now I know that this is a great opportunity, but I'm afraid that if I immerse myself fully in the pain I will go further than I had intended. I very much think that this is one of those demons that can throw me off this cliff that you talk about. And I am definitely not ready for that. Maybe some day, but I really just want to have a few years of living a normal life, being myself, having experiences. I mean, I am still so young. All the work I have done I did in order to clean out the prism of self, not to get rid of the prism altogether. So the least I should get is a couple of years as my self, right?
So what choice do I have? Well, I thought that maybe the pain I am feeling has nothing to with psychological pain, maybe there is just something wrong with my brain? Maybe the best thing would be to see a psychiatrist so that he can prescribe me some pills that balance out whatever inbalance there is and all will be good. I'm also thinking that I don't have to take them indefinitely. I could just take them for a few years, enjoy the **** out of my life, have realtionships, get educated etc. and then I stop taking them, immerse myself in the pain, accumulate enough dissatisfaction to jump off the cliff and then that's that.

So that's pretty much what's been going on in my mind. Am I an absulute lunatic? Am I just fooling myself by thinking that the first step is that imminent? Is my plan just really stupid? Could it work?

2. In your newest book, Jed Talks #1, you say that you can name about a dozen living poeple who are awake and you would estimate that there are about two dozen alive today. That seems to be a really low number to me. I mean, in Damnedest you said that you can account for about 1-2 cases of enlightenment a year. So what, you only taught for 5 years? And also the whole thing with this forum and navigator series and what not....it just strikes me as very strange that you only know of twelve cases of spiritual enlighenment, but what do I know.

Anyway, thank you for your time and all that you do.

Love, E

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2017, 12:09:25 pm »
I'm not much of a statistician, in fact I am terrible at it. Who really knows. I can only make estimates and speak of my own experiences. I would that that from 3 to 5 percent the Series students have reached T/R, but once again, some of the smarter ones just keep their mouths shut. I'm not that smart.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 04:46:36 am »
Thank you and sorry about that dumb comment.

The only problem is that I still think I can controll anything. Maybe I should find out if this is really the case before I go down these rabbit holes.

So one question. Is it ok if I do the spiritual autolysis here in this forum, or should I do it on a word file and just use the forum if I have any specific questions?

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 08:07:14 am »
I read, and have read, every word written to me. I'm not inclined to read your S/A.

If you have a specific sticking point and a question about it, please write on the forum.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2017, 06:09:15 am »
I got it! I had an epiphany!!! It is so obvious. I’ve always been trying to do something. I have always tried to achieve something. But all I gotta do is look. Let go of the tiller for a second and look around for things that seem to be me and then just question the reality of it. So simple

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2017, 06:24:48 am »
Now I really only have one thing that I've been stuck with that maybe you can help me with. Do you think that all depression is just caused by perception, or is it really the case that some depression is just due to some inbalance in the brain and should be taken care of in that way.
Because there is this depression that never leaves me no matter how I feel otherwise. I can sit in meditation and be in a state of absolute contentment and yet still feel depression. I just don't know if the depression will eventually go away by itself, or if I should try out medication. I know you are probably the wrong person to ask this but maybe you do think that sometimes medication is the way to go.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2017, 01:14:58 pm »
You are probably asking the wrong person.... you should be asking someone who is an expert on you... and that would be   ??? ??? ??? :o :P.

Now do it!

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2017, 11:44:17 am »
Dear Diary,

Things have been really strange lately. For the first time in years I was able to really cry. It felt like I was releasing stuff that I had been clinging on to. Afterwards I felt really good, but that feeling didn't last. Soon I was back to feeling this extremely intense and heavy thing deep down that has been driving me crazy for a long time now. If I would have to describe it, I would say it is a mix of depression and an absolute disdain for everyone and everything. It has been there all the time, only that it used to be much deeper or furhter away. Now there isn't as much in between anymore. I have been working feverishly at opening the many fists that hold on. Even though it has been a back and forth between running towards and running away.

I'm really starting to hate people. It is getting harder not to see that they are full of ****. Often their falsness starres me right in my face.

I feel like full of **** too. Somehow everything I say and do makes me want to jump off of high buidings. Even now. I'm trying to be more real but I can't.

Until I find a nice piece of blanket that is still warm and I cover myself in it. I still know that it's all bullshit, but as long as I can sleep relatively comfortably I'll do it. It's just getting harder. I can feel that this will not work for much longer. A few times now I have almost made myself commit to obtain the ultimate truth no matter what, but couldn't get myself to do it. And yet all day long I am chasing. Who am I, who am I. All day long. It's the only thing I can do, but I'm so exshausted. If I continue like this I will either go nuts or have a stroke or something.

I've tried S/A many times, but only rarely did I feel like I was getting somewhere. Mostly I just come to the conclusion that I need to hold a particular feeling of I for longer.

I don't really have any questions. I know what I have to do. Right now I'm looking at all the things and reasons that keep me from jumping.


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Re: Life after death
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 11:40:50 am »
Update: Today I decided to sit down with a pen and some paper and don't get up until I've written something true. For about half an hour I was just sitting there. Then I suddenly felt that something was coming up and I started writing. It felt super awesome. I'm really excited right now to continue. I can't wait to discover how full of sh it I really am. And you say that there is actually truth out there? Truth actually exists? Wow.

There is so much work to do, I can kind of see it now. All the time I've been sitting on a mountain of unfinished work, with more piling up all the time. But now I know that I can actually do the work. And not only that, it's also super exciting.

I am going to post any questions if they come up here. I'm super grateful for this medium. Cheers Jed for all the work you do here. And your books and everything. I salute you for all you are doing if I may.

I don't think I'm beyond the first step yet, but I feel like I'm at least leaning in the right direction. I know that dark times lie ahead but that is ok. I'll get back to work now. ;D :-*

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2017, 06:34:56 am »
One thing you need to really get is that ''true'' and ''Truth'' sound alike but nothing could be more different. As some famous physicist once said, ''there is no out there out there''. Darkest before dawn, and perhaps scariest before freedom, but it's different for every dream character.

Love ya, Jed

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 04:16:39 am »
This whole thing isn't going anywhere. No matter how hard I am trying to come up with something true, the real motivation behind it is not to know to truth but to be special or better than everyone or to enter my version of nirvana/heaven or something like that. Will I not always manipulate myself so that I will stay with the false? So I'm thinking I somehow have to start to really want truth, but again the motivation behind it is just to be more special. It is a vicious circle and I can't escape it