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Gilgamesh

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oscillating in duality
« on: September 13, 2018, 04:09:08 am »
hi,
q:why did Arjuna get up?
Contentment is oscillating between fun of joyously consuming life as a gift in every new day of new possibilities and the vomiting sensation of excessively consuming this unnecessary and meaningless gift.
Why did Arjuna get up? One day I think :“ for the possible fun and excitement he might face in war, of course!” The next day I desperately ask “why did he get up after seeing the triviality of life?”. Today is the day of “why did Arjuna get up? Please answer! I really need to know!”. today i think" i should suicide because there is no point in anything". tomorrow I say:" why suicide? after all there is no point in being alive or dead". but tomorrow soon will come, so I don't believe in my sincerity in asking this question!
By the way Why did Arjuna get up?

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Jed McKenna

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2018, 05:55:23 am »
Hi there:

Welcome to the JM Suicide Line.

You missed the point, no one ever got up. No stories are true, that's why they are called stories. Perhaps it's time for you to get up. Can you do it?

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Gilgamesh

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 07:51:22 am »
Think of it as a story book. At the beginning you start reading very excited, you melt down in the story and believe it and become one with the character but then it gets boring and cliche. And there aren't better stories around. The book in your hand gets irrelevant to you and you drop it. If you can't make adhering  stories that is the end.
To answer“ can you get up?” : “ get up and what? Write an story ? I can't make up anymore.” Or I should better say I can't even decide the topic. It is not better than flipping coins. Because there is no motive. Nothing to keep me on that direction. I think that the point of life is having some story but not very interested anymore. It is like you are not hungry and you think you should get up and eat sth. You open the refrigerator and look in. But nothing tempting to eat especially if there is nothing sweet in it. You shot it and sit down. That is how I see it now, I can't understand where the problem is.

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 09:34:59 am »
There is no ''problem''. A problem is only a thought that something shouldn't be as it is... but it is as it is and nothing one can do... so, no problem.

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2018, 01:58:02 am »
Hi,
I want to ask about synchronicity. But discouraging and repelling kind of synchronicity. In recent years, I've tried many times to make decisions about the direction of my life which was very hard because somehow I've lost my sense of direction. But whenever I said let's just take this direction, something strange happened that discouraged me.something made me think I can't go that way or I shouldn't or it's too late or it is too much for my capacity. Which makes me pinned to where I am. I've been waiting here for a long time. I feel stagnating here! Having no interactions with life I'm also getting dumb! Getting weaker and coward. like the ones that say beat me to death but don't ask me to do anything about it. As if I am a master failer. I don't even cry anymore. It's kind of powerfully accepting my disability and stupidity! I have had many dreams that came true but they are either insignificant or about my failures and bad things only! Maybe because I've been falling nonstop recently! You see I'm not afraid of falling anymore, but I am bored! What do you think the problem is?

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2018, 07:44:43 am »
What do I think the problem... well... in my infinite wisdom  ::) ::) ::) I think it's pretty clear. The problem is ''you''  think there is a problem. Lose that ''you'' and you find all is well, in fact, quite fantastic.

Find that ''you'' and the answer will be obvious. Stop thinking and start doing.

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 11:39:51 am »
I know that from a detached point of view it doesn't differ if I'm enlightened or i'm consumed in doing my favorite job or I'm suffering from hunger or none. It is only a matter of remembering :”the “I" is playing it”. Then there is no problem and drama stops instantly (  the reason I can't really cry anymore). but I don't remember it all the time which is the problem.
Another thing is: I hate this spiritual identity! If I didn't believe in these things I would say:” this life is a nonsense **** either way, I'll resist in the direction I've chosen just to examine my madness and see what happens”. But now I have to think about the big picture, life purpose and **** like that because some strange synchronicity has been happening which I don't even completely believe in.

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 01:09:17 am »
hmmmm.....  :P :P :P

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2018, 12:11:41 am »
Hi,
What to you recommend to resolve the fears that hides behind rationalization?

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2018, 01:46:09 am »
Let me ask you a question, where would the fears and rationalizations be there was no ''you''. Not joking. If you realized that what you think is you, what you think has always been you, is just a fiction.... where would the fears and rationalizations be?

This is NOT an intellectual realization or an analysis.... it must be a deep form of realization.

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Gilgamesh

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2018, 05:08:31 am »
Ok, back and forth we get to the same problem, the “I" . It is the solution to all problems but it almost never works. I can't get to that realization point. I can see the illusion in many things but not the realization that “I” doesn't exist. Although I can sense its illusory nature in ways , it is never a deep and forever kind of realization. And I don't know how to get to that point. I had decided to not touch this problem for a while because I couldn't get it and just stick to little resolutions (mainly psychology), but maybe I should try it again. Maybe you give some tips?

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2018, 10:50:44 am »
Got it... but you see ''I'' does exist, but only as a fictional concept... as useful but deceptive construct. a

Tips... keep chipping at it. You can hit something like a stone a thousand times and it appears that nothing happens. On the 1001th. time, it crumbles to dust. Such is your illusions and concepts. Keep at it and be patient.

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2018, 01:19:34 pm »
Thanks... :)

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Re: oscillating in duality
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2018, 02:09:52 am »
My pleasure.

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