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Michiel

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« on: September 02, 2017, 06:06:41 am »
Hi Jed,

Are there any practical tips, like actual steps which lead to T/R?
All the vague, abstract stuff isn't leading to anything.

Thanks, Michiel

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Jed McKenna

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Re: Practical
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2017, 01:13:03 pm »
Michiel:

Welcome to the forum. Have you done S/A?

Give me an idea of what has failed you.

Love ya, Jed.

Michiel

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 12:08:37 pm »
Thanks Jed, I will look into that. Are there any resources of examples how to get along with Spiritual Autolysis?

Thanks in advance! - Michiel

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2017, 12:24:47 pm »
It's very simple. Write something that's true... and then, of course, question the truth of what you write.

Love ya, Jed (is that true?)

Michiel

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 12:02:19 pm »
Thanks for the tip Jed.

I'll be honest, I'm skipping on the search for T/R at the moment. First and foremost nothing is to be had there, but rather I will focus on making my life comfortable, both Now, but also in progression to the future. Money is apparently a thing here on Earth.

Maybe I don't skip the subject entirely, but I've got a new perspective on the subject.
I wonder if you ever heard of the Dutch writer Jan Geurtz? He wrote a book called "Addicted to Love". The subject is Love, but basically it goes without saying that it can be applied to any subject that the mind gets addicted to.

He explains there are certain workings in the mind which take the mind away from its original state which according to him is "Being... honest, powerful, soft, smart, spontaneous, good/loving, social/altruistic, unique/creative".

When the mind starts rejecting itself it will start becoming (or thinking about itself): "I am... corrupt/dishonest, weak, stupid, weird, evil/guilty, anti-social/egotistic, mediocre."

Even further perverted, it will start rejecting those thoughts, because it doesn't like thinking bad about itself, so it becomes: "formal/rigid, cool, invulnerable/distant/self-assured, know-it-all/or anti-intellectual/free-person, everything under control, always kind/afraid to hurt others/"nice guy", subservient/forcibly social/helpaholic, wanting to stand out/always disagreeing with others.

It becomes more complicated after that until the person fabricated a more or less succesful "image", it seems stable and operating, until of course something happens, change happens, and than the image doesn't work, but shows the suffering from keeping on either attaching to a certain thought about self, or dissociating from certain aspects of the self. The mind keeps approving or rejecting certain characteristics of the self and other people. But more or less underneath this gigantic facade there lies the real Self of Being what it really is.

It seems sensible. Thinking certain things about myself or others seems so painful. Yet when I keep things simple by being honest and soft, there isn't any pain. Just giving up the trying to be something, to create an image of success I need to hold on to.

Love, Michiel

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 12:11:20 pm »
Thanks for sharing... do you have a question?

Love ya, Jed.

Michiel

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 12:32:18 pm »
Haha, yeah now that I come to think of it, maybe one:
Does this resonate with the idea of T/R? Or H/A?
It does seem truthful albeit all part of the human experience.

Love, Michiel

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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 01:01:54 am »
Well, my take is he is big on describing a problem/challenge in the human experience. I prefer to only touch on that and spend more time the solution. Just my take.

My test is ...'''does it work?". I suggest you try it and apply it.

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Michiel

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 06:28:25 am »
Yes I will apply it. I got into the "practical" section of the book which instructs on a simple meditation exercise, starting out with 5 minutes of concentrating on the breath, (which can be extended when it becomes easier) when distracted bringing it back kindly to the breath. And during day-time activities taking small 1 minute meditations to become aware of "Being", to get in touch of just Being more and more.

Love, Michiel
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 11:15:16 pm »
O.K. Now go do it... like your life depended on it, and never ever quit.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 06:56:27 pm »
Well. I got distracted again. Yay.

Doesn't seem there is any capability to hold onto anything. *shrugs*

Alright. So I have been pondering on and off for a while and something has been bothering me:
1. What's the point in reaching enlightenment? (Nothing, I know, you already answered that)
2. I've been managing to actually gradually improving the quality of my life. There doesn't seem anything worth doing more than improving the quality of my life and others. So why bother enlightenment?
3. Like seriously, what's the pay-off for enlightenment? Either it has to be like the best thing or not worth pursuing whatsoever.
That leads to the following like serious question: Why would you help people reach enlightenment, unless it actually helps them attain anything?

Hope you're holding up well there Jed, like good stuff happening to you. Bye!
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 01:30:19 am »
Good questions... Buddha is purported to have said he gained absolutely nothing from enlightenment. I'm pretty sure he got ''it''.

There is no answer to ''why'' questions because all reasons ''why'' are rationalization by the mind in order that it doesn't look stupid and without reasons. Everything happens before the minds knows about it, then .oooo1 seconds later the mind jumps in and make up a reason.

Urges, desires thoughts, etc. arise from the Mystery/Void, and action then takes place and mind jumps in to claim ownership. You can find the process in you if you are very diligent.

The answer to ''Why'' is ''because'' or ''seemed like a good idea at the time''. Every other answer is a made up lie.... wise people don't bother with ''why'' and prefer ''how''. It yields more useful information.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. Thanks for asking, I am well, healthy, happy and enjoying this dream immensely.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 07:46:02 am »
Thanks for your elaborate answers Jed!

Haha, what you said here:

''seemed like a good idea at the time''

Reminds me of a different quote:

"The story so far:
In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

Now as to reply to the content of what you had written:
It doesn't seem I'm very inclined to focus on "how", I had previously experienced several "ego-deaths" and they were rather uncomfortable. It probably wasn't "it", but it might have skimmed the surface, so to speak.
Would there be any reason for seeing through the illusion/dream/Maya being a nasty experience? I think it might miss the point.

I believe I had read somewhere previously before "enlightenment chop wood, after enlightenment chop wood." Or something along those lines.

Would it be accurate to say that there aren't actually any borders or space between one person/object to another? Simply the appearance of it being such. And thus all is connected/one. Yet there is this play one could call Maya which makes it appear as if there are these differences of locality.

If this information is linked to Truth, it would have implications, like if consciousness were to be enlightenment there would be a realisation of all being one, and thus whatever appears to happen is simply a play of Maya to continue and keep the illusion alive. Change and play for the sake of the continuation of and on itself.

Alright. So you write: Spiritual Autolysis is the "how" one can get further on the path to enlightenment. Yet I observe my non-inclination towards it, thus it can only be that it's not meant to reach enlightenment (yet).

Sorry for the long read, I know you prefer short texts. But I reckon it doesn't matter. Or does it? Haha...

Whatever, have another good day :)

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 12:09:38 pm »
Borders are an appearance... definitely. Nothing is linked to Truth because nothing is... only Truth Is.. that's what needs to be realized. All else is endless silly folly.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2017, 05:20:14 pm »
If only Truth is, than all and nothing are Truth.
The appearance of change, which you call Maya is what keeps the illusion alive that there could be anything but Truth.
Yet Maya is also Truth.

There is only further.

Seeing this... I don't know anymore. Since you're part of the play it seems pointless to even write this. There is something unnerving about this.
I don't know any otherway than to just go further.