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Mori

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Re: Practical
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2017, 05:43:39 pm »
Wondering if there would be something that doesn't further create drama/Maya... I mean only Maya can respond...

Jed McKenna

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2017, 02:11:00 am »
Only Maya/ego can respond until you see the game, perceive her tricks... and then she has no power over you.

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 12:25:33 pm »
Just for further clearance, I want to break down what you write here:
"Only Maya/ego can respond until you see the game, perceive her tricks... and then she has no power over you."

Maya/ego - all that appears

Only Maya/ego - Thus all that appears can make up stuff, which is anything whatsoever

can - So it doesn't have to, I don't have any evidence it can be any other way, it has always done so, so far

respond - respond to what? It responds on its own accord right? Is there anything it can respond to? It can only be or not be, if there is Truth, separate from Maya, how can it influence Maya? Can it or not influence what Maya is giving?

until you see the game - That would assume there is a you to see a game. A game is being perceived, but whatever choice is made by a "you", it can only further continue the game, since the game is on whatever a "you" is doing.

perceive her tricks - Well there are tricks perceived, but the tricks are always part of anything which appears to be appearing. There is always a catch which grabs the attention. There is no discontinuation possible, since there is always some sort of movement going on with the props in the play.

and then she has no power over you - Simply the perception of tricks does not make the tricks disappear, there is simply the perception of tricks. Thus the power is always in the hands of Maya. There is no on and off switch, there is just On, because Maya can always come up with new tricks.

you. - Which you? The you in the play? Is there a you outside the play? Isn't the concept of a "you" inherently part of a play?

It doesn't seem like there is any way out of the play. I cannot conceptualise any way there could be a way out of the play. There is no answer to that question because there is no evidence of anything other than the play. Even a "going out of the play" is part of the play.

The evidence I've found thus far is that there is no way to go beyond what lies in front of me, which is what appears.

Anyway, further Jed. I wonder if you know anything to get through it, rather than keep on working with it and surface it. It should be apparent, rather than just more useless words, if it is any worth in the pursuit of Truth.

Jed McKenna

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 06:29:13 am »
Back to basics, only one thread per member. I believe Mori is the offender here. Please start you own thread and we can pursue issues through that.

To Michiel:

Yes, I know the way through. It's a obvious as it can be... to me. Stop trying to analyse things. You are looking for truth in reason and mind. Don't be silly. If it was there don't you think zillions would have it by now? Come on... get a grip.. it's simple... GIVE UP TRYING. Let go of all your illusion and you will have it.

How do you know what is illusory... simply everything you perceive is illusion. Now you know the secret... GO DO IT!

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2017, 09:40:10 am »
Well. Alright. ;)

Michiel

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2018, 08:07:04 am »
Well then, here I am again. Seems I'm ever so caught in drama around me, about me and without me. There's no out, there's just through and further.
If I could ever make sense of it all, not anymore.
It seems I tried to make sense of it, but it leads to nothing. Nothing I do will lead to anything but further.
I'm giving up on the idea of enlightenment.

Michiel

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2018, 11:17:48 am »
I'm at odds here Jed. Seriously. I cannot make any sense of any of it anymore.
Either there is some kind of golden means whereby people can live and all would be well, or there is just chaos, nothing good, no way to act proper.
If everyone would live to their own perfect standards, there will be no way it can settle into one standard to which all would be harmonious, maya just keeps on creating new drama, it just does, it never ends. You can try whatever you like, it's just the way it is.
There is no way out of chaos/maya.

Even if I did everything I could and hold to that, maya keeps on creating new chaos.
Even if I did NOTHING and hold to that, maya keeps on creating new chaos.
There is no way out, further or through. It just keeps on keeping on....

What is left? I don't know anymore.
Am I missing a point?

Much love, Michiel

Jed McKenna

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2018, 06:47:53 pm »
I don't think it's missing the point... what you are getting the point. Would not chaos be the most generative way a dream could be, continually introducing novel points of view, i.e. new dreamers.

If you want perfect order, probably the closes you can find is Germany... and that's not very close lately. However, Germans that I have met tell me it's too orderly and just boring as heck. Of course, the only Germans I meet are those who have left Germany...hmm...

Well... I don't get what's wrong with chaos...how do you even know it's chaos? To some other person (perhaps form another culture, like hmmm.. Mars) would find your world bored them to tears. So what specifically is it that is chaotic in your experience and what's so bad about that.

I'm sitting a restaurant, outside, and the wind is blowing on my face... now that's pretty chaotic, this way, that way, then it stops for a moment, and I'm going to try a little experience... I am going to try to make it orderly... oopps here comes breaky so forget that. I'll just let it be. Rather pleasant really.

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Michiel

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2018, 12:22:06 pm »
Yeah, I suppose it's either going with it, or against it.
Going against it is uncomfortable, so why not go with it the flow?
Even if the flow is freaking retarded (excuse my vocabulary lol), seriously though, some things make no sense, so I might just as well go with it I guess.
Doesn't matter how or what. Things go the way they go, not the way you expect them to go.

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Jed McKenna

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2018, 04:32:53 am »
Good understanding, now go out and live it in every aspect.. start very small though.

Love ya, Jed.