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Tseeker

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problem with my first S/A
« on: July 14, 2018, 06:30:38 pm »
hello dear Jed, I wrote my first S/A sentence as "I am Mohammad" and started to work on it, but very soon the first problem showed up.
my S/A:
I is a pronoun which refers to me as a speaker who has a body.
I can not go any further.  :(
I see myself as something that has a shape and is separated from other things, so I do exist! how can I think otherwise?
I can think of myself as being a consciousness, but that consciousness is confined or attached to a body, so I have a form which I can not easily deny.

is my S/A wrong? please help me  :'(
thanks in advance

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2018, 12:59:27 am »
Hi Moh:

Welcome to the forum and thank you for your post.

S/A worked for me, but that does not mean that it's optimal for everyone. So, you start with I am Mohammad. Right at the beginning you have that tricky little word ''I''. So, is it true that there is an ''I'' where you appear to be? Key word, ''appear''. And here is where I recommend turning to the methodology of Nisagardatta. His teacher told him to just contemplate the concept, feeling, thought, that he was, expressed as ''I am''. He contemplated that at every spare moment for almost three years. You cannot undo your lifetime of learning in a day or two. The influence of teaching, government, religion, friends and the like goes way too deep for an instant cure.

I suggest you stick with that starting point. You can use ''I am'' or just ''I''. Contemplate who or what this ''I'' is. And be patient... be very patient.

Write me any time.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 05:08:59 am »
hello Jed
thanks a lot for your warm welcome.

so, is it true that there is an ''I'' where you appear to be? Key word, ''appear''

you mean that my physical form and my appearance has nothing to do with concept "I"? that it is possible to have a physical form but not an "I" to correspond it?

as you suggested I narrowed down the statement to only "I", it still seems to be a broad area, I attempt to contemplate my feelings and thoughts about concept "I"



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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2018, 06:03:06 am »
Í'll expand a little more on that suggestion. 

If I asked you if you ''are'' what would you say? (I assume something like, ''Oh course you silly person, obviously I am''.

Next question, ''How do you know you are?''. (answer: ''I just know, have this feeling that I am'')

Great, we are doing just fine so far.

Now, my instructions are for you to gently contemplate that feeling that you ''are'', that you exist. Do it without analysis or expectations, (that's important) just be with that feeling in a daily contemplation. Start out for only ten or fifteen minutes at a time. Sit back, relax and just feel the sense of you are. Remember, NO analysis, reasoning, mental garbage, etc. Just be with that feeling.

Talk later.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2018, 11:15:20 pm »
I try to contemplate the feeling of "I am" at every spare moment I get. last night while doing this I had a short realization, an idea sprang into my mind and disapeard quickly. I had the idea that my body is an image between images. everything is connected like different parts of a painting on a paper (house, tree, river). are they separated though they are identifiable? but I don't have that feeling of connectedness anymore. that was short.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2018, 01:11:19 am »
Ignore that and continue contemplating I am.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2018, 05:02:16 am »
hello Jed.
when I think about the notion of "me" I can conclude that there is no me, that all is illusion, but that remains on the level of thoughts,  the feeling of me is still there. I mean that there is a feeling which tells me "I" exists. I can not remove that feeling by thinking. how can I get rid of that?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2018, 06:30:59 am »
Don't try to get rid of anything. Just let it be... embrace everything and be patient... very patient.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2019, 04:30:17 pm »
hi Jed.
I am back. I am still on my way to awakening. I have nothing to say. no questions, just want to be in touch with you.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 02:58:34 am »
I'm still here, well... I appear to be here.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2019, 02:35:50 pm »
Jed I know to get enlightened I must take a serious decision and be ready to lose everything it takes. this is really frightening! it sounds to be a very difficult path when I think about things I may lose...what if I lose my dear loved ones? this fear is deep within me but I want enlightenment. what should I do? how can I overcome these fears?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2019, 12:51:29 am »
Good question... and indicative of a sizable challenge. As you probably know, I strongly encourage H/A before T/R. Realizing that Truth Is, and is all that is, doesn't mean losing anything real. You can't lose what is real. You can certainly lose attachments, lies and delusions though. Your ''dear loved ones'' are being held by you as separate from you and then you make believe you love them. You can't love them because they are in fact you at the level of Truth. To love ''someone'' you must separate them out, make them not you. You are love at the core of your beingness... but that doesn't mean you ''love'' others. There are no others. That is just part of a profound and deeply held belief and one of the illusions of the human game.

This human dream thrives and drives on separation. There is a them and us, dems and pubs, male and female, gay and straight, black and white, citizens and immigrants, friends and enemies, and these are ALL made up when viewed from the level of Truth. And, that level is all that is real. There are no ''two'' of anything, only ''One'' and on is simply ONE. The fear you feel is because you don't know what love really is. You think it is your warm fuzzy feelings but have those ever changed to cold pricklies in the past... or perhaps will in the future. True love never changes as it is what is, and all that is.

I suggest that if you a afraid of losing your loved ones, you have no idea what real love is... you only think you do and thinking is definitely not loving. If this journey appears too much for you then don't fret about it. Let it be and live your life out as best you can. This journey takes courage while the human journey takes courage as well, one is a lie and ends in pain and the other is freedom at it's finest. Whatever you do, become an adult, grow up, and you will certainly have a better dream. Should T/R arise in your world it will then be much easier to live through that initial awakening and further.

T/R is pretty bizarre but only from the perspective of the insane world humans live in, and this dreamt world is perfect from my perspective, perfectly insane. In going sane you can expect much kick-back because few will understand what you are going through... but that's just the way this dream has been set up... Maya is very prevalent and very powerful.

My advice, relax, enjoy the movie, and Season Two is just around the corner. It's going to be a block buster. Entertaining beyond anything you could imagine.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2019, 04:57:51 pm »
hi Jed.
I read your last post over and over again and absorbed what you tried to convey.
I have no question just wanted to thank you.
thank you for everything.
thank you for being there.
thank you Jed
THANK YOU.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2019, 10:25:06 pm »
I always enjoy a note of appreciation while eating my breakfast, better than coffee....

Thank you much for doing the work this calls for.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2019, 07:18:19 pm »
Jed when I ask you a question and you answer, are you talking to me as ultimate truth? Is it the truth that is talking to me? Is it ocean that is talking to a fish using another fish mouth? Then can I say that you are God itself? Are you the head honcho? are you God who has realized Itself?
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