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Jed McKenna

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2019, 02:20:29 am »
Some good questions there, and also some complicated answer called for... let me use an example of the duality of meaning challenges.

When I write about ''I am'' there are two ''I am''s that I could refer to. Never to both at the same time as then are mutually exclusive. Sometimes a teacher, like Nis, will differentiate between the two, but often he doesn't because the one referred to is presumed within the context of the conversation, however such is not always the case.

If I speak of the I am from what might be called the personal perspective, I speak of the personal sense you have of existing, the THOUGHT that you are... and when I speak of I am from the non-personal sense, what you are in Truth, I speak from a completely different perspective or realm. If you here the personal perspective without any idea of the ultimate perspective, quite understandably it will sound like gibberish.

In Truth, nothing is... so try talking about that. It's been a challenge for 5,000 years and never adequately been met. It can't be met because there is nothing to meet. From the personal you, everything can be talked about till the cows come home, but all words will have their origins in the dream of a personal you and therefore are as substantial and meaningful as smoke rings in a hurricane.

There is no ''God'' and as you cannot embrace or encompass God, how can you know anything to speak of about him, her or it?

I am perfectly aware that I seem to be speaking circles and sometimes outright b.s. but what is an appearance (I am not even real) suppose to do when pointing a finger at the infinite. Yes, I am God, and of course, in the normal sense of those words, that is delusional. BUT, you are equally God and appear, to me, to be equally illusion because you don't realize it.

If I have confused you, I  have done my job. If you think you understand, then we have both failed and failed miserably. 

Any more questions???

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. My advice, never give up and never to anything but give up.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2019, 04:12:20 am »
unfortunately I understood everything you said  :D
I know that those questions are useless and I must sit somewhere, shut up and take the First Step.

Jed you know, whenever I take a serious decision to do something spiritual, the outer world changes and attempts to stop me. right now I am really serious to shut up and do Spiritual autolysis but every day I get more busier. I prepared a notebook and a pen and wrote the first sentence but daily affairs does not let me to continue. I am not exaggerating, the world doesn't let me. how can I stop that?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2019, 04:29:10 am »
next question:
what you have done in S/A is an attempt to collapse all pre-made Meanings created by our ancestors, that those Meanings are baseless. since Meanings are attached to names(nouns), I think by removing names, those meanings would be removed too. names work like containers. they contain meanings. if I know that a tree is beautiful and green and healthy and .... I already presumed that there is a tree over there. if I remove the name "tree" I have nothing in my mind to attach meanings to. first we give names to things then we attach different meanings to those names. do you think by removing names I can do S/A faster?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2019, 04:48:59 am »
SA is a lot easier than removing names and meaning. Set asid 4 minutes a day to do SA, after 21.33 days, get back to me. I'm as serious as a heart attack.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2019, 04:31:32 pm »
I didn't get you Jed.
what kind of number is 21.33?
how many days should I work on SA?

Jed today I had a dream "that God is truth, and God is everything including me, then I am truth too knowing this would help me to awaken."

I can not understand that, would you be please help me?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2019, 06:46:38 am »
21.33 is totally meaningless.. it's there to give your mind something to hang on, it's like a fish hook and to show you a little about how the mind works. It makes totally unimportant things... appear important. And thus take you off the task at hand. You need to think for yourself more. If you want to do SA then you choose to do it. How long is also up to you.

Yes, all is God, but don't think you know what or who God is. It's not a what or a who and it doesn't even exist in any way that you know of existence. You don't have a clue.. very few people do. God doesn't take care of you and grant wishes and other such childishness. What will really to help you wake up is for you to do the appropriate work. Usually that means doing what you are avoiding doing. Have a look. Seems like S/A holds value for you and the way I know that is because you avoid it. Just a very standard human formula.

Look inside, no answers lie outside. I point, that is true, but if you don't look there is not much point in pointing. Look to teachers to take something they share, steal it, pay for it, do what you will... but use is and then throw the pointed away... you can't through away anything you learn. That's the nature of learning.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2019, 02:33:53 am »
thank you Jed.
yesterday I had a sudden insight that everything in the world is close and near me as if they are here. I'm not sure how to convey that insight. do you have any comment about this experience?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2019, 04:45:14 am »
Yup... I do have something to say about it... and it is important if you are serious about this journey... FURTHER!

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2019, 06:35:58 pm »
Jed how can I kill you?
throughout my journey I have killed many masters and stepped on their dead body. my bloody sword is still in my hand. I wonder how I can kill you. I mean your teachings are the summit. nothing beyond. you are the toughest one. immortal, unkillable! even there is no more questions. no more mind amusements. your book was a sharp slap in my face.

thank you Jed for that slap.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2019, 06:23:40 am »
Thank you for the kind words, but I am much over-rated by you. I appear very ordinary with one exception. I  laugh and smile allot ... oh yes, one more... that tricky little thing, T/R. One day you will kick me out of your bus... be gentle with me... or maybe not.

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2019, 04:45:50 am »
thank you for your nice response. today I came across this questions:

1) what is the relationship between truth and consciousness? are they the same? one is subcategory of another?
one is true another one is illusion?

2) and please tell me what is the relationship between truth and love? some mystics say Love is God but it appears to be untrue.

3) if you come across another enlightened guy how do you talk? what do you talk about? what is of importance to talk when "importance" itself is illusion?


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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2019, 05:38:38 am »
Consciousness and awareness arise within the larger (actually largest context) of Truth. There is nothing to be aware of anything, it's all just an appearance in Truth... the Void, the Mystery, whatever you want to call it.

Make up any story you want, and it will ''appear'' true to you, but unless you realize your True Nature, i.e., T/R, they you will have no way of handling or understanding love. What humans think of as love is almost always a violent and disrespectful attempt to manipulate another human. I know that sounds course and very un-new agey.... I dare you to prove me wrong... no wait, I dare you to prove me right... ahhh.. I just dare you.

I have no idea how we would talk, probably surprisingly unremarkable and ordinary. How else can one talk when one has realized the illusory and dream like nature of this  appearance. Who cares anyways?

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2019, 03:04:11 am »
I needed to hear this simple fact: "Consciousness and awareness arise within the larger context of Truth". Now everything makes sense better, it's strange that I have not heard that before.

Jed now I am struggling with this question:
God is a multi_faceted being with absolute features. Since God wants experience his infinite features, He makes the opposite end of continuum such as illusion. God is truth, at the same time He is omniscient too, he is omni-present and the most powerful too. If I am experiencing God as truth, I am experiencing only one feature of God, maybe that's the largest context but thats one facet anyway. I mean awakening to truth dosn't mean having it all. I am awakened to truth but not awakened to His vast knowldge or unlimited power etc. Awakening could occur to every characters of God. Isn't that so? I dare you to prove me wrong... no wait, I dare you to prove me right... ahhh.. I just dare you.  :P

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2019, 05:18:07 am »
Sorry, you lost me. Please simplify, or just .... or just... or just...

Love ya, Jed

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Re: problem with my first S/A
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2019, 02:06:21 pm »
Please write me at cambodianashram@gmail.com and we can discuss it.

Thanks in advance.

Love ya, Jed.
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