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« on: October 01, 2016, 12:39:45 pm »
Hi Jed,

Question: When someone had a verry traumatic childhood. Is it necessary to go through all kinds of therapies with regressions and researching and al kinds of analysing to get rid of the childhood trauma's/patterns? Is it necessary to have a map of all the source events that caused the pattern that is leading to some sort of behavior? I think it looses its importance when a person comes to the realisation that the mind is false and it's absolutely useselless to worry about anything that is not in this persons here and now... it's pointless, a total waste of energy (once you come to realize it is...).. And still.. i am typing this message :).

This afternoon i had a discussion with an older man on this subject. And he was telling me i am hiding behind the 'why sould i worry about anything that is not in my here and now' mindset. I told him that i am not hiding but i am choosing to believe just another bullshit story instead of becoming the worrying/fear/anger/bla bla that is going on in my head. And from the moment i ask myself 'what's the use of this worrying?' the worrying stops or moves to the background. It looses it's weight. Because... it is an absoluteley ridiculous thing to do... having discussions in your head about some past event or some future possibility and let life slip through your fingers.

Am i thinking to easy about this? Isn't the realization of al that stuff going on up there in my head being false enough?
Right now i'm thinking that all these therapists an methods are being way to complicated to be effective...

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2016, 03:09:24 am »
Dear Member:

I am pretty opinionated about psycho-therapy (who me?). It's unnecessarily complicate, disappointingly ineffective, very time consuming and ridiculously expensive. Now that's just one man's opinion, but I think I express what most folks feel in their gut about it.

The challenge is that when you are at your ropes-end there is a tendency to default to a societal habit, i.e., consult a "supposed" expert on the subject. Which expert, you will find upon deeper examination, is usually as unhappy/miserable/unsatisfied as his/her client(s)... often more so.

Psycho-therapists present a very poor model for their clients and, regardless of what they present, their clients know this at a gut level. Because the therapist is a role model and held in some degree of esteem, his or her patterns are often sub-consciously modeled... far from optimal IMNVHO (in my not very humble opinion).

The therapist doesn't realize that he is not dealing with presenting problems (surface events), these are not the deeper issue. Regardless what is done, short of electro-shock therapy, memories of the past will remain. They are only problematic to the degree that one has attached importances to them. This attachment is done automatically, usually at the time of the event. That means you had no control over such attachments. However, after the fact, you do have control over the importance attached to such memories and through many years, thousands of dollars, and often considerable unnecessary suffering, said importances do sometimes diminish. The therapist succeeds and, in reality, doesn't have a clue what he has facilitated, how he has done it or how he could repeat his success.

A truly successful therapist is one who will interview a patient, get a feel for the problem, and then set a time limit. I was once with one of the originators of NLP, many years ago, and he said that he would not work with a client for more than six sessions. If it took longer he figured he had failed or was doing something that just wasn't effect. He would cease working with them. I think his approach was quite honorably. It kept the pressure on him to be behaviorally/therapeutically flexible and it maintained focus on the issues.

Society/therapists have named these "incidences of past memories problematically impinging on the present" as PTSD. The mechanism is precisely as I have described above and if you are human, you will almost inevitably have some degree of PTSD. Life, upbringing, schooling, bullying (children and adult) institutions, the legal system, society, etc. Each, in it's own often subtle and hidden ways, has a tendency to create PTSD to some greater or lesser degree.

One major step in growing into H/A is dealing with one's importances. It not uncomfortable, it's very effective and it's very inexpensive when done the proper way. 

Love ya, Jed.



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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2016, 08:33:46 am »
Thank you voor the comprehensive response. Still i'm surprised by the fact that, for me, it was really, really hard to learn such a simple thing. Having this 'just as information' never really helped me out. The information was there for years. Just a short time ago it actually landed. It's really sad and really hilarious to me at the same time.

One major step in growing into H/A is dealing with one's importances. It not uncomfortable, it's very effective and it's very inexpensive when done the proper way.

Do you mean this: don't let the stuff that actually is important lose its importance?


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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2016, 08:43:37 am »
Dear Forum Member:

Let me go right to the end-game... nothing is important.... and, the only thing that is important is nothing. Don't expect that to make sense to you, it may or may not, but to me it makes perfect sense.

You might want to read my PTSD rant.

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 08:59:30 am »
I did and i sent you an e-mail right away.

Let me go right to the end-game... nothing is important.... and, the only thing that is important is nothing. Don't expect that to make sense to you, it may or may not, but to me it makes perfect sense.

That's what i'm sensing. And it's a tricky one. But i sense that all the thought activity that has nothing to do with what i am doing right now is worthless. So i'm playing with this new toy these days and i am exploring its borders. Starting to realize that i decide what should be important to me. I can choose. And that feels like a revelation. It changes everything.

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2016, 09:03:11 am »
 and, the only thing that is important is nothing.

damn..

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2016, 09:27:01 am »
Hi there;

Choosing what you think is important has nothing to do with actually collapsing importances. Put another way, tackling importances head-on has a tendency to build them up, attaching importance to importances is just making up even more importances. The first thing you do when you find yourself in a hole .... is STOP DIGGING!

Let me tell you a secret of my success, and yes, I do happen to be pretty good at what I do, (no credit to me though and much to do with the fact there is no ''me'' in the way). If you haven't guessed, I am a contrarian, probably a bit of a hangover of my space suit. I have observed that almost all of what the world (the one that appears to be out there) has/is/does... not work. People are generally not productive, happy, playful, inspired, considerate of others, loving of children and each other, and the like.

In addition, there appears to be a human tendency to lap up whatever quick fix, bliss ninny, somnambulistic hyped-up solution to personal suffering that is offered. Reality doesn't work that way.

When I experienced T/R, my realization that Truth Is, I knew that I have a choice, perhaps the only one I would ever get to make. I could spin out or spin back in and live a human existence. I'm here and living. I also got that everything that happens is perfect and at the same time, could be even better. Can't explain that very well, but it is what is. 

What have you done here, got me ranting and raving. Forget everything I say, it's insignificant in the extreme. Just remember, I

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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2016, 09:33:07 am »
I'm seeing what you're doing mr. And if you where not, you where anyway  ;D
And i'm not expressing myself verry well i think.
Thanks.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2016, 10:00:40 am »
Evening here in the jungles of Cambodia, don't know what it is there... but I wish you a good night.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2016, 10:10:33 am »
Good night to you mr! I should be preparing dinner right now.. i guess that is what i'm going to do now.

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 10:20:56 am »
Sounds like a plan... enjoy.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 12:51:10 am »
And thanks for the ranting. Food for thought. And just as a clarification; i do not think or pretend to be T/R. It's not even a goal here. I just was curious about your vision on the stuff that was in the opening post. You confirmed some things for me. Thanks for that.

Time to move on, or to speak in your word(s): further!
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 02:30:31 am »
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2016, 12:13:36 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2016, 10:06:13 pm »
If there's infinity, all possibilities already happened and all there's left could only be nothing. Still there is something and that something is nothing and still it's there. So where am i/are we in this infinity? We could not be anywhere, because there can just be one and that one is experiencing, there cannot be two.. So if there's only one nothing in infinity, then what is this reality? It could be only one consiousness experiencing this thing in nothing. Within all the possibilities that passed, how is this possibility that i am even possible?

Whatever's the answer. I'll stop nagging about importences from here..