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Smiling

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« on: September 12, 2014, 05:39:30 am »
Dear Jed,

I’ve exchanged a few emails with you before, using my real name. At first, I couldn’t register on either of the two forums. Yet, I’ve been reading your posts. At time I would share your words with a couple of friends whom I think would appreciate them, and they indeed did. By the way, you mentioned that we should not share with family and friends about our journey. So, should I also refrain myself from sharing your words with others?

Finally I found a way to register here over 10 days ago. However, I had been holding back in writing because I am not clear with my question, ‘the one, single, most important question’. I really want to make good use of this opportunity. Or, maybe, not writing earlier is just another illustration of my procrastination.

Here is the summary of my background. I started my ‘spiritual path’ with Goenka’s Vipassana in early 2010. I did that for over 3 years, on and off. Up until March of 2013, I’ve read books by Jiddu Krishnamurti, Ajahn Chah, Jack Kornfield, Ken Wilber, Biograph of Ajahn Mun Bhuridatta, and many others that I don’t remember now. I also have tried Pa-Auk’s meditation, Mahasati Dynamic meditation, and have meditated in various monasteries in different countries. I’ve also followed with Kong Hai’s teaching for quite a while. He is from Taiwan, a very genuine person. Along the way, I have attended Family Constellation workshops many times, Landmark workshops, some dancing healing workshop, and a few other workshops.

Since March of 2013, I completely stopped all meditation practices and most workshops. I also stopped reading spiritual books, except your books. Since then I’ve been only attending workshops by Hong Nanzhou (another genuine one from Taiwan) and have been doing works assigned by him continuously. In the meanwhile, I also keep up with Jue Xingzhe’s teaching (a genuine one from China). I got to know three of you around the same time, March of 2013.

Lately I feel like I am stuck, not going anywhere.

Ok. Here is the question:
What’s my next step?

Love, Smiling

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 09:52:15 am »
Dear Smiling:

Thank you for joining and sharing. I would ask you to stand up and take one step forward. Go on, do it now.

How difficult what that. Did you have to coordinate hundreds of muscles, ligaments, joints, bones and nerves. I certainly hope not because you would have moved and inch. You would have frozen as a result of analysis paralysis.

You next step, T/R wise is the same. You can think it out until you are a hundred years old, or just take it and move forward. Everything you have done so far was perfect and hence you are here, also perfect, now DON'T THINK, you already know.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 08:15:33 pm »
Dear Jed,

What a relief! After reading your words, I almost cried.

I have been very sluggish lately. I have lost interest in almost everything, except sex, even though I don't have anyone to have sex with. So, sex is only in my mind. Besides doing a little translation work for a company at home, eating, sleeping, reading or listening to your words, scanning through useless contents on the PC screen and cell phone, and interacting/reacting with my little nephew and mother are my daily routine. Actually, those electronic devices took most of my day time and they only returned me with back pains and tired eyes and lots of junk thoughts. Therefore, I began to worry about myself and wondering if I was on the right track: Why some others who have been doing the same work/practices assigned by the same teacher seemingly have achieved certain level of 'realization', but I haven't changed a bit? Why these people are so keen and faithful in doing things with the teacher while I am not that into it? They are so sure he is the ONLY one who can direct others to enlightenment and I know that's not the case.  Is this 'knowing' and 'unfaithfulness' the reason that causes me not 'realize' anything? Why after years of 'spiritual growth' thing, I still can't completely accept my mother and my nephew? I am very kind to my nephew most of time. However, sometimes I can see a monster when I react with them and the monster is me, a very cold apathetic person, full of anger and disgust. Yes, I have learned from various teachings that it means I can't completely accept myself. But I still can't.

Lots and endless thoughts run through me every day, except during the time I do the assigned work or bring my attention back to the belly breathing as you mentioned in your books from time to time.

But deep down, very very deep down in me, something is very solid. It's very very tiny but very solid. I know I am not the same one I used to be anymore.  I don't know if I can explain this more clearly to you.

You told me DON NOT THINK. Yet, your reply prompted me all these thoughts. However, this writing helped me to sort through my current condition.

Now I will move a step to do some patting for my mother. It's some physical therapy I do for her to improve her health condition. 

Thank you, Jed!

Love, Smiling

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 10:33:05 pm »
Dear Smiling:

Thank you for that. I have a little exercise, thanks to Jerry Stocking, you mind wants attention. That's a key word. So the trick is to give it attention. It won't get you enlightened, but who know. Just gentle watch it and welcome all thoughts, good or bad and see what happens.

Don't worry about where you friends are. It may be working for them, or they may be deluding themselves, which is often the case.

Feedback welcome.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2014, 12:43:58 am »
Hi Jed,

You mentioned Jerry Stocking. Does it mean you want me to go through his teaching? Or you simply wanted to give him the credit. I googled him and he offers something online. I don't really want to go through it unless you think it's necessary for me. Well, these are the thoughts running through me now.

Love, Smiling

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 10:02:50 am »
Dear Jed,

Today whenever I was aware of my thoughts, I would think about welcoming them. I noticed, in this way, I had much less struggles over thoughts and less critics on myself. Sometimes I even felt a bit happy and relaxed when I noticed the thoughts.

Today I also had a meeting with a woman whom I am interested in. She is also doing the same work/practise assigned by Hong and seems quite determined to get T/R.  I used to deliberately keep distance from her and not to fall for anyone because I thought being involved in a love affair had nothing to do with T/R and it's merely a changeable feeling and my goal was to get T/R.  Well, the heck, today I just wanted to have some fun after one year's no fun. Eventually, we had quite a nice chat and I am less pretending in front of her. BTW, is it OK to tell you this here as it is not about T/R?

So much for today.
Love, Smiling

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 10:50:34 am »
Dear Smiling:

I suggest you be careful about following anybody, especially someone like me. I am a total bastard and will ****-slap you as much as I can get away with.

This is never about anyone else, anyone's teaching, any exulted persona, that's garbage personality crap meeting an human need, but not an adult one.

You know what do you and are avoiding it. It's obvious to me, so how can it not be obvious to you.

Well, if it's not obvious to you, ask yourself 'If I knew what do do, what would it be?'. You will probably find it's the thing you are avoiding, but that makes sense because if it wasn't it would be the thing you are doing and the questions wouldn't be required.

So, become your own guru, which you are anyways, and tell yourself what to do next. If you tell me or not, I don't care because it's not my business. This is about you, not some silly guru teacher guy, YOU and YOU ONLY.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2014, 04:12:21 am »
Dear Jed,

For one and half day, 'If I knew what to do, what would it be' almost became a mantra. I kept asking myself this same question until it dawned upon me that 'if I knew what to do, whatever I am doing is what I am supposed to do.' So, I am my own authority.

Am I getting this right? I can sense my doubt in myself and still look for 'higher authority'. I realized I am so afraid to make a mistake in the T/R path, the same way I am afraid to make a mistake in life. I always look for the 'right' way even though I've heard many times from someone like you that there is no right or wrong at all.

I welcome your slap wholeheartedly. I even don't mind you skinning slicing peeling me if that helps to awake me. So, bring it on. I am ready for that. 

I want to be completely open with you. No hiding, no pretending, no denying. Actually I want to be completely open with everyone and anyone. But let's start with you first.

Love, Smiling
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2014, 04:25:12 am »
Dear S:

Delightful to hear that, but don't start with me, start with you. You are telling yourself lies all the time. I know that because you are human. So, what would be the first, most powerful lie that you might be able to see through, given super powers of course.

Love ya, Jed. (Super-Jed, at your service).

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2014, 11:48:23 am »
Dear Jed,
I just came back from a trip during which I didn’t have access to this forum. I found I was quite worried that I might be kicked out of this forum because I didn’t respond in a long time.
It is quite a typical mentality my mind has established—tends to think in a negative way.

I have repeatedly asked myself the question you asked me, but nothing dawned upon me. However, in the past few days, I realized that I want more of the ‘side-effects’ of enlightenment instead of enlightenment itself, which means I will not have any problems anymore. I am simply not satisfied with the way I am and the way this world is. Such an imperfect world it is! This imperfect world always triggers me sad feelings or anger which is what I reject. As a matter of fact, ‘enlightenment’ is simply a word/concept to me, which I heard and read from others, for example, you. I don’t really know what it is. Another reason I wanna be enlightened is that enlightenment seems to be the only and ultimate thing worthy pursuing. In my life, I have never really longed or made great effort for anything except pursuing so-called ‘love’. Ok, it’s not love but love affairs. Only during the initial stage of my love affairs, I would feel I am really alive, creative and focused. The rest of my life, I feel like I am a walking corpse. Unfortunately, those live moments don’t last long.

Today I had an argument with my mother. It seemed impossible to let her really hear what I was trying to tell her. She was dwelling in her thoughts. Finally I lost my patience and burst out to her ‘Is your hearing bad or your brain bad?’ She was furious hearing that and tried to kick me. On the contrary, I was very calm and emotionless. I was surprised to find myself not being regretful for saying so. I was indeed surprised to hear myself saying that, though, because my nephew is used to say ‘is your brain bad’ to my mother when he is bad and I had never done that. Now my mother thinks I have taught my nephew that. I guess I must have said that in my mind quietly and somehow my nephew picked the message up. In some way, the whole process of this argument seemed to be quite fake to me. I seemed to be quite fake.

This is a forum about T/R and I am babbling about these ‘human’ stuff. So spiritually incorrect. Well, that’s all in my mind at this moment.

By the way, I am not so used to post about myself on a forum. I feel I am becoming naked in public. Regardless, I will continue do this until one day there is no more 'I' anymore.

Love, Smiling

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2014, 12:01:37 pm »
Dear Smiling:

Don't worry about being kicked off. Not a problem.

You mention the human stuff and, while it not enlightenment, it is the biggest impediment to it.

It sounds like you are maturing a little and I applaud. I put up a rant that might be of interest to you. The most recent one.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2014, 01:01:09 pm »
Hi Jed,

Even before I saw your reply, I’d already read your most recent Rant on marriage and realized that that could very well be the relationship between my mom and me. I left home for America for 8 years. Since my dad died and I came back, the relationship between my mom and me has been like between two robots with fixed programs. Yes, it’s a deal, even between parents and children. For her, I had been the ‘good’ deal before I left home, remained a ‘half-good’ deal during my stay in America, and turned out to be a completely ‘bad’ deal since I returned home – no marriage, no money, and no stable job. I have nothing, except my bad mouth and rebellious words and reactions towards her. Basically, what a typical Chinese mother wants from her daughter leaves no trace in me. Ok, now let me think what kind of deal my mother is to me. She denies my sexual orientation, she’s very vain, and most of time she says and acts purely based on fear. She is afraid that no children will take care of her when she’s very old. She tries to please her sisters and nieces so that they could help her out. She is like an actor, so phony sometimes that even my nephew says that. She’s definitely not the ‘perfect’ mother I want.

However, I have to say that she has done nothing wrong to me. She tried her best to raise me. However, I have no idea why I have so much hidden anger towards her and it seems she always presses my button precisely. The only possible ‘wrong’ thing that could’ve impacted on me is that when I was about primary school age, one day, I accidentally saw her kissing a male friend of hers in my home. She saw me seeing them. I turned away and didn’t say a word. I never mentioned this incident to her or any family members even until today. It seems to have no impact on me as I don’t feel any emotion whenever I think back. However, I do remember that after that incident, she took me to the dentist. On the way there and back, I didn’t say a word to her. I didn’t even look at her much. I kept distance with her and walked way ahead of her. In my mind, there is this picture of a little girl, emotionless, walking in front and far away from her mother.
I really want to but don’t know how to reconcile with my mom. Previously, I’ve tried different methods, such as family constellation, hypnosis, regression therapy, etc., but they all failed and the ‘war’ seemed to have escalated. Since last March, I stopped trying to make an effort.

I think my relationship with my mother is the barrier that’s blocking me to T/R. Very selfish I am, aren’t I? One more thing to admit, the reason my goal is T/R instead of H/A is only because T/R seems to be the highest goal. The final destination.

What a dumb and blind life I have lived!

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2014, 07:57:12 pm »
Since I am not T/R, then the 'I' that's talking must be Maya, the fake one.
If this fake 'I' is trying to get enlightened, hence, to get to 'non-self', that means the fake 'I' has to commit suicide.
How could that be?
If that's not possible, then all the effort I try to make to get to T/R is useless.
Hence, I don't need to make any effort or do any practice to get 'there'.
Besides, you said human beings have no 'free will'. That means all about me is pre-programed.
So, I really can't do anything to change the result. If I am programmed to get T/R, then I get it; if not, then I don't.
Therefore, all I need to do is to breathe and wait for enlightenment to drop on me?

Jed, I am stuck here. Help!

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2014, 12:32:04 am »
Dear S:

You are correct in a way, but the challenge is you are trying to make sense of it. If this all could be just figured out, it would be easy peezy.

I suggest returning to just finding two things, 'you' and 'Truth'. Simple but not easy.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2014, 08:29:43 pm »
Hi Jed,

I was washing my clothes and thinking about finding the ‘I’.  I realized only when I think about ‘I’, then ‘I’ exists. When I simply just do things, such as washing clothes without any thoughts, there is no ‘I’. When I sleep without a dream, there is no ‘I’. Only when I look for ‘I’, there is ‘I’.

I noticed I was quite disappointed at your reply. I was hoping you could give me some specific task instead of just letting me find Truth. I don’t read a lot others’ posts. Only from time to time, I pick one to read. I noticed sometimes you gave them some tasks, such as that ‘blah blah blah’ one. Well, well, that’s last night. This morning I made a decision to trust your reaction since I choose to be here.

You said ‘you’re alone’. Whenever I think about this, I feel depressed. I am all alone? There is no Jed, no the girl I have a crush on, no mother, no nephew… I am all alone.