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notarobot

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Not thinking
« on: December 11, 2017, 03:36:26 pm »
Dear Jed,

Could you say that the essence is, once you stop thinking on the dream-level, the body and mind continue to work spontaneously (by it's habits); that the difficulty lies within withstanding the triggers (from other (imaginary) persons) to think, especially when you feel fear; and that by hard work you gradually become able to confront everything without thinking? Is that what you mean with "further" or "going through it"?

Thanks,
René

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Jed McKenna

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Re: Not thinking
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 11:23:33 pm »
Hi Rene:

Thank you for your question. First off, the word ''further'' can be used in any situation because what I am tell one is that if they are asking they are not Truth Realized (i.e. the realization that Truth Is) and under that condition (not the best word) there is always something more to be done. Of course, I don't always know exactly what it needed but there are some very standard things such as forgiveness of self and other plus releasing  past hurts and importance... and there are more.

I have never said (to my recollection) that ''essence is''.. and it all depends on what you think, feel or experience as ''essence''. It may well not be the same for me.

If, as you say, you ''stop thinking'' then how are your ''triggers'' activated. That usually requires ''thinking'' in my experience and observations. If other ''imaginary'' people are causing you fear then you have much work to do and ''further'' regardless of what it might mean to you is appropriate.

It's not so much that ''hard'' work is required, but I will say that intelligent/effective work needs to be applied and perhaps unfortunately, there is a huge mass of confusing and misleading information on how to do that.

Other people don't have triggers, you are the one with triggers.. and they just might be activated by another's activity. However, it you have not triggers then nothing ''goes'' off. I suggest you look closely at you triggers. You may also want to look at those around you who are not particularly good for you. There is such a thing as toxic people and it can be appropriate to just have nothing to do with them.

Love ya, Jed.

notarobot

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Re: Not thinking
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 01:13:07 pm »
Thanks for your thoughts. Indeed Truth has not been Realized on this end. There is fear, for opinion and to be hurt physically. I 'work' on it now by exposing myself gradually to it, but after reading your first three books I'm not sure anymore if this is the way forward. I also gave up the illusion of understanding how anything works. (I used to buy into the Jungian explanation that we repress stuff we can't confront and that this shapes the world in front of us over and over to live through the emotion at some point.)

I tried to grasp "I am" but run out of things quickly as I'm convinced that it's illogical to assume there is a René - any delineation would just be arbitrary.

Could you elaborate on the intelligent/effective work to get rid of fear/past hurts?

Thanks,
René

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Re: Not thinking
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 10:12:17 pm »
You might be interested in the Navigator Series for some deeper work. Jung had just a few too many theories. However, I will propose one more. Yes, if you want to get rid of you stress and grief then memories are a good place to look, however, in a sense the important thing is not the memories at all. You can have truly awful memories and they have not effect on you. Memories are not the problem. It's a little sticky thing called importances that cause memories to be a challenge.

An example might be in order. About six months ago I was in Phnom Penh with my closest friend. He was sitting across from me in a bar and had a massive heart attack and was gone in an instant. I dealt with many things that evening, police reports, hospital, local temple and customs, etc. It is a wonderful memory and was a blessed experience. I dealt with all importances the instant they arose. I would guess that this sounds pretty strange to some folks but being an adult and T/R there is just nothing that ''sticks'' and causes grief. There are also those students out their who ''get'' and know how to release importances. It takes a little training. Also, when one is practiced in it the PTSD is a thing of the past and no longer significant.

Love ya, Jed

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Re: Not thinking
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 02:29:48 am »
I can't argue with any of that, leaving the actual negation the only thing to be done. I'll message you about the "little training".

Thanks for the 'tech support' so far.

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Re: Not thinking
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 06:03:11 am »
My pleasure...

Love ya, Jed.