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alig

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2017, 12:30:34 pm »
Yeah having experienced the inexplicable from time to time, I can trust that  me and my thoughts are fake and let them go.... no matter how real and sensible they appear to be. (Not very good at it yet though 😋)

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2017, 12:39:57 am »
Just remember, don't get stuck on any past experiences. There are sufficient to block  what is arising now... and that's all a dream.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2017, 12:23:48 pm »
Came here butt-heart to whine, saw your post saying: suck it up princess. now I know what to do.

I feel so lucky that I've ended up here, able to communicate with you, so grateful.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #78 on: May 26, 2017, 01:20:25 pm »
Why are we seeking TR here? after all truth is always there, can't be improved by anything, won't be affected by anything, no matter what kind of show is going on in it, and no matter if I'm taking it seriously, identifying with it, suffering in it, believing it, misunderstand it etc. etc, my death won't affect truth as well (isn't that just another appearance?)

Isn't the search for truth just another mind strategy to improve the dream ? (perhaps its last resort for self-improvement and feeling better), therefore just another selfish pursuit as anything else (and perhaps the most selfish one)

of course there is no reason for anything, its just another appearance that I'm seeking truth. if this is true then my search for truth should have no effect on my realization of it (no cause and effect) and its just as in vein as anything else.

I remember I heard U.G. Krishnamurti somewhere said that "there is a higher chance for a rapist, a murderer or a criminal to realize truth than all those spiritual aspirants". makes sense now.

sorry if I'm saying utter b.s.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2017, 06:26:04 am »
No problem...good b.s.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2017, 01:47:10 am »
Dear Jed,
I was hallucinating that I'm not done for a while and I finally decided to do some "Work".

I went to the mountain and was standing in front of a tree, then I turned around facing away the tree, now I was asking myself: How can I be sure that the tree exist? its just a memory in my head now, How can I be sure that I'm not just hallucinating? no thought/memory can be relied on and dubbed as true. The physical universe which its existence can go under question by a mere turning around cannot be true.

hell, even all these experiences about what I have done yesterday are just thoughts and memories and so they are non-existent.

What is true is the image in front of me, although  there is neither me, nor front, nor the image. in other words the perceiving is truth. but the contents of perception are never truth. nothing more can be said about it.

now can we say that perceiving is eternal? goes on forever? I cannot say that I have perceived yesterday (as proved above) but can I say that there will be perception tomorrow? but is there a tomorrow? if there isn't a tomorrow how can I know that? if there is no tomorrow there won't be perception there as well so I cannot know.

OK up to here, I can't go further than this in my mind right now ;D

Can you extend it a bit Jed ? what is the next step?

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2017, 03:44:32 am »
Next step is letting go of what cannot be figured out.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2017, 03:16:40 pm »
To what these thoughts/emotions/senses/stories are happening? any answer or attempt at answering is just another thought/emotion/story. how can I answer this with something else? (cheat: there is no one who can answer, just the same thoughts over and over again)
 
Is awareness just another thought/story? because for example when I'm aware of my thoughts, I never perceive thoughts directly, I just perceive a thought about the original thought. or when I'm aware of my emotions It just happens as a thought (oh anger, oh this emotion or that emotion or just an emotion is here) I can even stop labling perceptions at times but still I know that I'm aware through a confirmation by thought. or there is only a memory telling me that I was aware. and I can't trust a memory. (silly?  :-\)
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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2017, 06:53:41 am »
From the perspective of Truth, all is a little silly...  but humans just continue doing silly. Who'd a thunk it?

Love ya, Jed.