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alig

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2017, 12:30:34 pm »
Yeah having experienced the inexplicable from time to time, I can trust that  me and my thoughts are fake and let them go.... no matter how real and sensible they appear to be. (Not very good at it yet though 😋)

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2017, 12:39:57 am »
Just remember, don't get stuck on any past experiences. There are sufficient to block  what is arising now... and that's all a dream.

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« Reply #77 on: May 20, 2017, 12:23:48 pm »
Came here butt-heart to whine, saw your post saying: suck it up princess. now I know what to do.

I feel so lucky that I've ended up here, able to communicate with you, so grateful.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #78 on: May 26, 2017, 01:20:25 pm »
Why are we seeking TR here? after all truth is always there, can't be improved by anything, won't be affected by anything, no matter what kind of show is going on in it, and no matter if I'm taking it seriously, identifying with it, suffering in it, believing it, misunderstand it etc. etc, my death won't affect truth as well (isn't that just another appearance?)

Isn't the search for truth just another mind strategy to improve the dream ? (perhaps its last resort for self-improvement and feeling better), therefore just another selfish pursuit as anything else (and perhaps the most selfish one)

of course there is no reason for anything, its just another appearance that I'm seeking truth. if this is true then my search for truth should have no effect on my realization of it (no cause and effect) and its just as in vein as anything else.

I remember I heard U.G. Krishnamurti somewhere said that "there is a higher chance for a rapist, a murderer or a criminal to realize truth than all those spiritual aspirants". makes sense now.

sorry if I'm saying utter b.s.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2017, 06:26:04 am »
No problem...good b.s.

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« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2017, 01:47:10 am »
Dear Jed,
I was hallucinating that I'm not done for a while and I finally decided to do some "Work".

I went to the mountain and was standing in front of a tree, then I turned around facing away the tree, now I was asking myself: How can I be sure that the tree exist? its just a memory in my head now, How can I be sure that I'm not just hallucinating? no thought/memory can be relied on and dubbed as true. The physical universe which its existence can go under question by a mere turning around cannot be true.

hell, even all these experiences about what I have done yesterday are just thoughts and memories and so they are non-existent.

What is true is the image in front of me, although  there is neither me, nor front, nor the image. in other words the perceiving is truth. but the contents of perception are never truth. nothing more can be said about it.

now can we say that perceiving is eternal? goes on forever? I cannot say that I have perceived yesterday (as proved above) but can I say that there will be perception tomorrow? but is there a tomorrow? if there isn't a tomorrow how can I know that? if there is no tomorrow there won't be perception there as well so I cannot know.

OK up to here, I can't go further than this in my mind right now ;D

Can you extend it a bit Jed ? what is the next step?

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2017, 03:44:32 am »
Next step is letting go of what cannot be figured out.

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #82 on: June 23, 2017, 03:16:40 pm »
To what these thoughts/emotions/senses/stories are happening? any answer or attempt at answering is just another thought/emotion/story. how can I answer this with something else? (cheat: there is no one who can answer, just the same thoughts over and over again)
 
Is awareness just another thought/story? because for example when I'm aware of my thoughts, I never perceive thoughts directly, I just perceive a thought about the original thought. or when I'm aware of my emotions It just happens as a thought (oh anger, oh this emotion or that emotion or just an emotion is here) I can even stop labling perceptions at times but still I know that I'm aware through a confirmation by thought. or there is only a memory telling me that I was aware. and I can't trust a memory. (silly?  :-\)
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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2017, 06:53:41 am »
From the perspective of Truth, all is a little silly...  but humans just continue doing silly. Who'd a thunk it?

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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2017, 01:06:23 pm »
No use hiding anything, but my motivation in doing my work (as a seeker) has always been to feel good so far. and it works every time, I feel good about myself after doing my work each time. because well... I did my job and I'm now free to do anything I want without guilt. stupid on many levels right?

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« Reply #85 on: July 15, 2017, 04:38:34 am »
My test is not good or bad, smart or stupid... but simply ''does it work?''. Does it get you what you want, or think you want.

Try that test on for size and then follow it. Just be clear on what you want, otherwise it's just not going to work.

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« Reply #86 on: July 15, 2017, 06:33:08 am »
Thanks Jed,

Yes this strategy of creating guilt for myself has been working somehow to get me to sit down and do some focused work every day or so. but I'm not sure if I'm progressing towards "It" or just fooling myself. I still have periods where I get lost in the dream and think I'm this body (like now as this back pain is making me suffer and sends me after solutions -  overall I still somehow chase good feelings and sensation and avoid bad ones)

What do I want?, I just want to stop fooling myself, stop giving in to distractions and never bother about this world ever again.

But overall I have this feeling that this way of sticking to my commitments to myself and doing set periods focused work is the best way forward Jed, although you've said many times that I don't need to do anything and I don't have any doubt in that. 0% doubt I'm already TR. but still this is the ego typing here, I think I'm the ego so obviously the ego wants TR and doesn't want to accept that there is nothing to do, because what that would mean? the end of it. but has it ever been to start with? so yeah as Long as I think I'm the ego and believe that the ego (I) exist I need to work.
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Re: Sleepwalking
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2017, 05:15:03 am »
Hi Jed, The little mind is acting dull and It has a newbie question  :)

I was trying to write something true and I wrote the statement: "Truth has 8 dots", now indeed in persian the word truth has 8 dots in it, should I now go on to prove myself that this is not a true statement or that's just waste of time?

Thanks for patiently waiting for me to join you ;)

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« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2017, 10:26:59 am »
Hi Jed :)

As I was trying to go further with the help of S/A I ran into this problem that I think should be solved first before I can even start: You say I should write something true and there is a distinction between True and Truth, now I'm wondering what the hell is true?

Who defines this distinction between 'true' and 'truth' ? is 'true' something that is in alignment to some assumptions, agreements or stories? for example in my previous post I mentioned that the word truth as 8 dots in its word, that is true according to the agreements of language, which is some sounds and meanings (?) that I learned to repeat and use (and I don't know how). but are agreements themselves true? is 'true' something that You (jed) and I agree upon? so If you say statement X is true and I accept that as true because Jed said it, that will be just an agreement. so If agreements are not true then you can never tell me what is true  :-\

I guess S/A is just letting the ideas that come to your mind just flow on the paper as you are in a spiritual state (non dual), they certainly feel true, for some time at least, until they don't feel true anymore :-\
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« Reply #89 on: August 06, 2017, 05:28:58 am »
Something that is ''true''... is there really eight dots? Who says so? Is that true? Will you stake you life on it? Is someone thinking about eight dots? Or is nothing thinking? Can eight dots think... really? Maybe.....

I've personally traveled across Persia, a long time ago, and I can assure you there is no such thing (I'm not joking here, somewhat sadly, it was called Iran at the time, but I love the name ''Persia''. Sounds exotic). Are you wasting your time on inconsequential things? Is anything consequential? Who cares about Persia and what I think? Whoa, thinking.... really? Who is asking all these damn questions? Wait a minute....

Are they questions or are they statements? What is a question? What is a statement? What is a ''what''? Sheesh... I could go on for a couple of years... nah, been there, done that? Really? Who was there? Did they do anything? What did they do? How do you know? How does who know?

I'm going to have to start a journal on this ..... S/P (Spiritual Phenolphthalein). I suggest you Google it's medical uses... not going to tell you here.... WAIT... where is here? Have I been kidding myself all along, thinking I was here when I was there?

Hmmmmm.........
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