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Mr Redshot

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What is this?
« on: March 10, 2017, 06:31:08 pm »
Jed, i have been reading your literature for about a year now and have really been trying to figure out T/R.  Not sure you heard of this book, but it's called "Take me to Truth."  I read it years ago, and it sent me to a place totally in the present.  I would look at a tree and think "There's me, the tree and my mind/thoughts.  The only the that is real is the tree and me."  Then not think about the future or past, and go on walks or swims in the desert that way.  The world got huge.  Limitless.  No fear whatsoever.  However, it seemed almost impossible to sleep with this mind set.  Is this close to T/R?  I've been wondering  that for a while now.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 10:30:31 pm »
Dear RS:

Thank you for your email and question. I had similar experiences prior to realization that Truth Is. Yes, you are close, but there is a challenge here.

First off.. it was an experience and T/R is not an experience. Experiences come and go as you found out. Once you are done, you are done and you know you are. With my Nav Series students I also pretty much know when someone is done.

B:) A ''teaser'' such as you experienced can be a powerful experience and there is a strong tendency to look back to it  and attempt to repeat it. This can be a major hurdle because it obviously takes you  out of the present moment.

3.) My suggestion is  that you completely forget about it. Let it go and be in this present moment as best you can. Relax and breath. You are being dreamt, breathed and lived. Might as well enjoy the entertainment presented to you.

Lastly... don't try to figure anything out. Not only is that impossible, it only generates more stories and deepens that illusion that you have control and that you can understand that which is impossible to understand.

Best wishes,

Love ya, Jed
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 09:19:22 pm »
  T/R seems rather simple then.  Truth is truth that can't be reduced anymore.  So it seems that to escape from your own head (or the movie projector as you put it in 'Damndest') is the way to find truth.  Once there, you can experience life without future or past and just suck everything in.  Look at objects and people in the present and take them for what they are not what your dream state is trying to interpret them to be.  So really, it's all right in front of you, you just have to 'Wake up" from your own head.  Am on a straight path with this or have I swerved off to the thorns?
P.S.  Your right, I was trying to take the latter experience I mentioned and relive it, but as you put, it''ll do no good, cuz it always brought me outta the present. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 12:35:53 am »
You are doing fine. Stick with it.


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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 11:21:01 am »
Dear Jed.  I was wondering about boredom.  Do you still get bored even in T/R? 

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 11:51:49 pm »
Interesting question... makes me reflect a little.

Nisargadatta would frequently get impatient with his students, sometime kick them out of his loft. Ramana was much more relaxed and gentle. I am very mercurial in that I can take any position or attitude I like... whatever appear appropriate in the moment. 

I can only speak for myself at a deep level, and from what I have studied about the other two teachers, but the key is there is no I, me, my or mine in anything that arises. What arises in the human appearance means nothing, it just happens and ends. Who cares whether it's boredom or excitement. All arising are temporary.

In a more direct answer to your question, I searched what remains of my memory bank and it's been a long time since I experienced boredom, but if it seemed like an interesting thing to do, I might do it, but then if it was interesting I wouldn't be bored.... hey... am I beginning to sound boring? Who cares?

Further.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 09:59:07 pm »
haha.  I love the paradox at the end.  I keep forgetting that there is no "I", so yeah, weather it be excitement or boredom, what's it matter?  I hope that becomes epiphany to me soon.   :)   
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 12:54:33 am »
Just stay with it, be gentle with  yourself and remember to breathe.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 10:17:01 am »
Thanks, Jed.  You mention breathing a lot.  Do you have a technique that you stick with? 

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 12:31:59 am »
I have been doing very basic belly breathing.. little like yoga prana breathing for an embarrassingly long number of years...  >:( >:( >:( . Nothing profound but it is generally quite beneficial. I find that I breath at about half the rate of those I meet. As I reflect, I can't recall meeting anyone who breaths slower than me.... not a big deal, just good for the space suit and quieting your mind.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 08:36:40 pm »
Thanks, Jed.  I've actually been focusing more and more on breathing and it helps.  :)  I don't know if you experienced this but it seems like when I'm outta my head and glued in to the present, it's like playing a video game in my own life.  Maybe Skyrim when I'm walking around or Need for speed when I'm driving.  Without my dumb thoughts to distract me, it's like I can just be free in my own video game.  Or sometimes it's like actually being in a 70's movie.  I may have just revealed myself as a dork.  Haha, no, no, just ego.  Anyways, just wondering if that's what T/R is like.  If it is, I realize T/R is not an experience like what I just mentioned, but I haven't been able to bridge the gap to make it a rock-solid state of mind. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2017, 12:22:42 am »
You can't figure out that T/R is ''like'' because it's unimaginable. Effort spent in that direction will only take you deeper into the dream.

Back to simple awareness and being everything as best you can. You have no idea what T/R is like until it hits you and then you won't give a damn about what it's like.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2017, 01:57:21 am »
Hi, Jed.  This question came to my mind today as I work in the national parks: What's your take on taking Photo's of people, yourself, etc?  I mean, it seems like it would be one of egos great weapons. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2017, 02:20:55 am »
Another good question. I traveled around the world for about three years in my youth. Plenty of opportunities for photos, but I took precious few. For me, even from that early age, there was something about photos and their subsequent review that seemed almost perverse. I think, as you said, it's quite egoic and removes one from this very moment, which is totally complete as is. What's wrong with ''now'' that people have to try to capture it for the future, and what is right about now as well. It's just now and anything pointing away from now is, well, just a little .... perverse.  ??? ??? ??? ???

Love ya, Jed.


P.S. You can include Facebook and all such social networks in my ''opinion'' as expressed above. Not that my opinion matters one little but, but you asked...  :o :o :o :o


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Re: What is this?
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 05:52:56 pm »
hi, jed.  thanks for your reply.  i was wondering, you are enlightened and have reached TR.  Would you consider everyone else who has not reached TR crazy?