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Anon4Lulz

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What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« on: March 31, 2018, 07:38:13 am »
Hey Jed,

A few questions. I will keep it short:

The Truth: I AM. Why the hell should this be correct? This is not the only thing I can know! In the age of 12 I went trough a depression. I was falling and realized that the only thing that we can know is that sth is.
Am I right with the assumption that u are defining sth is as I am?
Somewhere in Incorrect u said something like: U could define it as love too...

Why do u have to go trough this process of self autolysis? Julia described it as destroying all what U are. Afterwards u can put into this empty (no)self what u want.
What is the result of this process? Why do u have to empty urself to put sth in afterwards? Can I not realize "the truth" and keep my ego/self?
Is it because I have to realize the truth and understanding it in words isn't enough?

(Mathematics: Aren't the rules behind this word true? I mean sure if there is no I and no circle there are no 360 degree. But if there is a circle there have to be 360 degrees.)

LoveyaJed(Thisisthe200wordsoi'vetowriteitlikethis:/

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2018, 10:10:35 am »
Hi there:

Welcome to the forum. I am not clear on what you are asking. What do you mean by ''sth is as I am''.

Before I attempt to give you some answers i need to be more clear on what you question is. Please rewrite and I will take a shot at it.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 03:48:04 am »
Good morning,
excuse me, it's difficult to express myself in English.

1) In Spiritual Warfare you are describing (pg. 18) "The whole Truth". You are saying there is nothing we can really know. Only I AM.
To prove this you write "I think, therefore I am" by Descartes.
In my opinion, we cannot prove this "I AM".

Could you explain why this is true?
I would say we cannot prove the "I" who is thinking and we cannot have any idea what a thought is!
The only fact we can know is (in my opinion): "Something is" (not "I AM")
This something is not necessary "I".
2) The second question was the idea to change the foundation (Enlightened/Unenlightened) without deconstructing the building (Self) on it.
But since yesterday, it's obvious to me :-[

Thank you Jed!

PS: Would it be okay to share some parts of the autolysis I am doing?

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 03:54:22 pm »
My realizations today:

I could bite off my leg bc it isn't mine.

(one min later) I cannot bite off my leg bc I have no mouth.
(After trying it out) I feel pain.
Further!
It wasn't tasty at all... :-\

In the end I came to the conclusion:
Somewhere Jed had written that enlightenment means to NOT have this questions anymore. So **** it!

Is this progress? ???

Thank u, Jonas

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 08:52:29 am »
Yes, that is definitely progress.... now... further.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2018, 09:36:00 am »
I think I acted against the rules by posting 2x a day.
Nevertheless I would be very greatful if u could answer to post #2 :)

Thank u
Jonas

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2018, 04:54:56 am »
Please restate your question, be brief and to the point.

Regarding your autolysis, I don't mind small pieces of it being posted, but I would like to know what you hope to gain from it. Should be that you want attention, then please let go of wanting attention and see if you still want to post. If so, go ahead and post.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2018, 06:22:21 pm »
How can be I AM the whole truth/all we can know?
"I think, therefore I am" proves nothing in my eyes!

What do u suggest if I am living in my family? I've fear they will send e in the nutshouse after S/A :/

Priority to 1 question
With Love
Jonas

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 12:07:49 am »
Hi Jonas:

Thinking has nothing to do with what you really are.

How old are you?

Love ya, Jed

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2018, 01:52:30 am »
So u are realizing the truth by getting rid of all questions and beliefs?

In Warfare u are saying that human adulthood is like recognizing that u're an actor and questioning why.
What would be enlightened in this analogie?
Recognizing that u're whether actor or your ego?

I'm 17. But that's not true, right?
Greetings
Jonas

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2018, 03:19:36 am »
Hi Jonas:

My experience of T/R, and it was more of a ''knowingness'' than an experience, included the realization that all questions are answers and that all beliefs where made up. But that would probably qualify someone for locking up in the loony bin/nut house.

There is nothing logical about it in one sense, and in another is absolutely brilliantly logical... go figure. Recognizing that you are acting and the main mechanism for that acting is your ego, is a symptom of T/R but not T/R itself.

I you feel confused by my answer then I am doing my job. Just allow your confusion to be as it is. Things have a way of sorting themselves out.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2018, 01:22:54 pm »
Regarding the process of T/R I have a few questions:

I know this assumption(/Belief) may be wrong. But why should be every belief wrong? Only because I can't prove them?
U said it like this: Wrong till proven. But how do u know?

It is logical to say that u will realize truth after removing all beliefs, but why is it the whole truth? Maybe u discovered only a small part of it?


I hope u have some answers, but somehow I know that it isn't that easy :)

Sincerely,
Jonas

PS: The fear is still there. But I have to know what I can know. I have to die. Somehow...

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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 12:35:25 am »
Jonas... you are trying to understand something that cannot be understood, it cannot be imagined and it definitely does not lend itself to logic.... and at the same time it is the most logical thing that is because it is the only ''thingy'' that is.

You are arguing for your limitations, for the ''appearance'' that you are a human and in a body. This is necessary in order to keep you (and all other appearances) in the dream.

You said, It is logical to say that u will realize truth after removing all beliefs, but why is it the whole truth? Maybe u discovered only a small part of it?

Why do you ask why? What would having that information do for you, how would it change your world in any way? Who cares ''why''? There is no ''whole'' truth because there is no partial ''Truth''. Truth just is.

Ignore everything I say, what every purported teacher in the world has said and find out for yourself... go into the deepest part of yourself and find out who or what you are.

Question who wants to know... really. Your questions are pleasant diversions but nothing more. Everything you are doing is to keep you from realizing the nothing that you are.

I suggest you contemplate.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: What is Truth Realization? (How to?)
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 11:02:21 am »
Hey Jed,
the truth behind I AM and STH is may be the same, but I find ur expression still confusing.
Contemplated what u were saying. Thanks!

I've a question regarding the process of S/A:

U are suggesting autolysis to the seekers of Human Adulthood.
Isn't this process too extrem. It will definitly left scars in the psyche?!

After the rebirth u will life another "lie"...


Regarding my S/A: I've headache all the time (With some minutes of bliss and happiness beetween). I cannot socialize anymore. I cannot pay attention in school.
I will get totally **** up? Right?

Sincerely
Jonas

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2018, 12:12:24 am »
Of course my statement is confusing. As I have pointed out many times THIS does not make sense... if I am making sense I am not fulfilling my obligations to you as a student.

How can it be too extreme to write out on a piece of paper something that is true?

Perhaps this journey is not for you, at least not now. You might want to put is aside  for a few years.

Love ya, Jed.