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When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« on: November 27, 2017, 04:34:27 pm »
... It looks like you're limiting T/R to the cells of this puny primate body - This bothers me.

So, anyways, I used to post here(I had my own thread) but I deleted everything I posted, with your posts included. Sorry for deleting all that content that could've been helpful for other people and sorry for wasting your time - By sending everything you wrote into nothingness.

Anyways, I'm back here because I just COULDN'T find any religion/cult/whatever that wasn't full of bullshit. They were full of things like karma, sin, saints, etc...

I've been reading the blog of a disciple of a supposed enlightened chinese man. This guy said his master had superpowers and that the only way to reach enlightenment was to mantain yourself celibate and to mantian yourself in samadhi for 100 days, this way you could use your sexual energy to feed a spiritual fetus living inside you - Without that spiritual fetus you couldn't get enlightened, you couldn't realize the Tao. Shame I believed that for even a second!
He also said people like you("advaitas") only display a minor level of enlightenment(arhat) and don't have full buddhahood. That guy was honest and altruistic and fully believed on what he taught(I think)

I also talked with other disciple from that guy. He left everything in life to become a celibate monk that focuses only on enlightenemnet. He has attainment of the 8 jhanas and looks like he's an stream enterer too... He keeps saying that a human birth is extremely rare and that we should focus our entire time on enlightenment otherwise we can be born into hellish realms in the future. Anyways, he is too very altruistic about his beliefs and fully believes in what he says, and yet, how can he be so delluded? Well, maybe he isn't deluded and what you consider enlightenment is just a minor thing on their superior path of buddhahood like they say s/

I've also re-read parts of Yogi's autobiography by Yogananda and what a load of crap! The book was full of talk about sainthood and sin.... In the book Yogananda's master even materialized himself after death and talked to yogananda saying that now he is living on an astral plane and that everyone that's living there has to behave in the right manner otherwise they feel intense pain. Anyways, the thing is, Yogananda was a sincere guy and probrably didn't lie about his master materializing after death so, how can we explain this? Was it Maya petrending to be his master? Did Yogananda allucinate?

The fact that a dead person talked with Yoganada confirming his beliefs to be true creates inside me the illusion of autority for everything he says - thus making everything he says true cuz after all he knows what happens after death...

I know that he was deluded and yet my mind can't accept he was deluded because he talked with a dead person and that person said he was right(it was implied)

Whenever I see a spiritual master talking about celibacy, bramacharya, sainthood, morality, sin... I think to myself: What does it matter if you're a saint or sinner? It's not like I'm a sex addict that is clinging to the habit(in fact I'm still a virgin) it's just that the obsession those so called saints have with sex is just so great....

Who knows why the **** hell celibacy and morality is the central point in almost all religions...

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 11:27:51 pm »
Thanks for sharing. You only asked on question that I might answer, that last sentence. It's pretty apparent to me that this is the best way to control people. Make them feel guilty and then provide relief. And control is all religions want, nothing more. From there they can have their way with everybody. Religion is a cancer on society, but it does much good in that it provides us with something to waken from. Now, the question is what are you going to waken to.

Oh, and yes, I completely agree with your observations. When this world and the universe disappears you will have T/R, and you will realize that nothing ever mattered, including enlightenment.

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 11:01:32 am »
In Jainism it's said that there are 4 types of karma that binds the jiva(consciousness) in the state of ignorance. Only by allowing all the latent karma to manifest and present karma to work itself out, can you climb the gunasthanas(levels of virtue) that are like a ladder to moksha. Usually I would just disregard all of this as Indian bullshit, but there are some advaita/nondual/whatever sources that say that only throught the dissolution of karma can you become free. What do you think of this? Does karma even exist? In Jaininsm there are even books that teach you karma mathematics that can help you calculate the number of karma "particles" you get by doing certain things....

Even Ramana talked about karma:

"The Ordainer controls the fate of souls in accordance with
their prarabdhakarma (destiny to be worked out in this life, resulting
from the balance sheet of actions in past lives). Whatever is destined
not to happen will not happen, try as you may. Whatever is destined
to happen will happen, do what you may to prevent it. This is
certain. The best course, therefore, is to remain silent."

" It is true that we are not bound. That is to say, the real
Self has no bondage. And it is true that you will eventually return
to your Source. But meanwhile, if you commit sins, as you call
them, you have to face the consequences. You cannot escape them"

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 08:38:49 pm »
There is no such thing as sin, that's only a thought. What might be a sin, perhaps killing someone simply because you are angry at them, is not a sin if you are a war hero and kill an enemy. Karma does not exist, it's just another story. Stay within he human dream and you can create and dispel karma for a billion years... every moment you create is and it can never be undone. You walk outside and step on an ant and it all starts again. Remember, a dream is always a dream and everything within it is only dream material. If you believe in karma then you might be able to create that experience, but trust me, it can never every be undone because (based on karmic reasoning) everything you do creates more karma. As you wisely point out, it is just b.s. piled on top of more b.s.

Find out what the dream occurs within and you will laugh at the concept of karma. The Indians who talk of if are just talking about their deep cultural heritage. All of that is within the dream. The infinite context in which the dream occurs is Truth and there is no such thing as karma in truth, only a loving allowance of all the dreams that spontaneously arise within it... it is pregnant to overflowing with infinite possibility. Seeking anything short of the realization of this, your True Nature, is (in my not-very-humble opinion) a waste of your time in this human experience.

Do as you wish but I highly suggest you don't waste your exclusionary time in the human dream.

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 05:07:23 pm »
About life time: I know that truth never dies but, does our consciousness cease after death?

I know Nisargadatta said we are gone after death(he used the fact that we always lived our lives with ourselves existing, so trying to imagine our inexistence is next to impossible to us - But it does happen)

You also said the "I am" is gone together with the physical body.

Honestly this is all very depressing. Usually people that don't care about inexistence are those who are living happy lives at the moment. In the happiest moments in my life(few) I also thought to myself I would have no problem with dying at the moment.

Now, though, I've been living almost as an hermit for 6 years; I missed teenage "love"; never had romantic contact with a female; don't have friends; etc... Recently I've been taken with constant fear and OCD that a deadly disease can strike me and I will never get to experience the things I want, thus dying like a loser(not that I care about this label anyways) that wasted his life

Having the belief of an afterlife kinda conforts me, because if I died I could get other chance.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2017, 01:20:20 am »
You said:

Having the belief of an afterlife kinda conforts me, because if I died I could get other chance.

That's pretty clear and obvious... i.e. that it's comforting.l..  but you have a ''belief'' because you don't have a ''knowing''. I suggest you seek ''knowing''. Living a life projecting out into an unknown point in a non-existent time, you miss all that is, the now.

Of course you are going to die... and it may be right after reading this response. So what? Surely you don't think that matters in any way. Everything that has a beginning has an ending, that's just the way it goes. However, that only applies to the you that you think you are not the real You that you actually are.

I suggest you just sit down and die. Go ahead, get it over with. Rather than fretting the balance of this dream away... just sit down and let yourself experience death. I not suggest you physically commit suicide, but just sit down, relax, breathe, and let yourself, i.e. all the dreams, faith, beliefs, stories, loves, hates, b.s., etc. die. What could that hurt? None of it is real... and that means you can make whatever you want be real. Try it.

Don't run from it, run to it then through it.

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2017, 10:37:40 am »
Ok. I will come back when I have applied this technique enough.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2017, 10:45:51 am »
I look forward to hearing from you.

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Re: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 02:56:57 am »
I didn't do that exercise too much due to my restless mind; still, it didn't see to do much to me... Maybe the suffering vanished a little, but it only went away to be substituted by a feeling of dead peace. I don't want peace; I want to make my desires come true and to gain things that will help me making them become.

I'll try to do some autolysis now; there's so much pain inside me that I can't even meditate(I actually used to be disciplined enough to meditate everyday until everything **** exploded). I can't do anything anymore without this excruciating emotional pain torturing me. I call this pain because I observe it comes and goes in palpitations, just like physical pain. I'm 24/7 filled with this emotional horror. I do not have control over it; I'm not gaining anything from it; the process has it own life. I wonder if this is what happens to "normal" people when they don't have a way to escape from their emotions, or if this is a problem singular to those that are mentally unstable. Yes, I'm aware of all the drama queening nuances on what I wrote here - But the pain is real.

I mean, it's just so easy for some people to climb a hill and start to meditate there and then experience spiritual extasis, union and **** while being grateful for being alive and all the things that come together with being a spiritual person. Those are the same people that are always vomiting like parrots the discourse that we create our reality; the law of attraction crowd... ****, if we created our reality, no one would be poor, sick, fat etc except for some exotical specimens. I mean, I know that in one sense we do create our reality, but few, very few, have something that could be called mastery over their lives; most results that come from the law of attraction when made by an ordinary person are subtle or take a hell of time; wanna materialize a sack of money out of nowhere? Oh, it won't happen because [insert bullshit talk here about vibrations and mental state]. Why can't I be happy and deluded like them? Is it because I'm a bad person? Am I not talented? Is it because I don't smoke weed? Is it because I'm actually sincere with myself and they're hypocrites?

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 05:17:22 am »
You said: I didn't do that exercise too much due to my restless mind; still, it didn't see to do much to me...

Please stop wasting time. If you don't approach is seriously and diligently then how can you expect a miracle. Don't do it much and you won't get much of a gain... that's rather obvious... at least to me.  ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 05:33:42 am »
I'll try autolysis now and stick with it. That exercise didn't feel much different from meditation; this fact made me unmotivated to continue doing it cuz I know from experience meditation won't lead anywhere. Idk, maybe that's just an excuse - I don't really know

Anyways, I am aware I need to discipline myself on one technique if I want to go anywhere with this; posting on this forum or having wishful thinking won't do... As I am an awful procrastinator, I'll now cut out from my life every other kind of discipline I'm trying to put on myself and use all my "acting" energy for the pourpose of autolysis

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2017, 03:00:44 am »
Your mind it tricking you.. making you jump around to avoid facing it's ultimate demise. Take a small amount of time, just a minute or five and focus for that amount of time. Get in the habit and gently increase the time.

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 03:21:00 am »
I did 49 minutes of autolysis today... U proud of me? (jk)

Well, I perceived I can never write anything true on that paper, so, I thought to myself "What's the point of even doing this?"; then I remembered what you said about autolysis being a process of elimination - You're not meant to succeed in writing sometihng true.

I'll continue to do it; I guess one time or another the fun will start to happen. I don't even care if I fall in Makyo or in the "trap" of the siddhis - In fact, I want this to happen.

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2017, 10:24:22 am »
Excellent, and I am delighted you listened to me. Now go for it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2017, 12:28:37 pm »
If you think this post is too long, then please just read part 2.

Part 1:

I'm still doing autolysis. What has changed:

- Yesterday I felt like I lost the hability of "loving" things(you know, that good feeling that happens in your chest); today I woke up with it again.

- Yesterday I went for a long time without sleeping.

- I have the memory of feeling something akin to "ethernal" or "divine" when waking up; the memory of it is very weak though. I also feel disgusted about the fact that I felt "holyness" because I hate such thing - It's just a mental feeling created by this simian body when it is in front of something greater.

- Synchonocities.

- I still hate people/society. The hate and apathy has just increased: before, when someone told me they were sick or told me an sad story, I would desire good things for them mentally; now, I don't care. Yesterday someone that I'm supposed to care about became sick and went to the hospital; I was honest with myself and thought it wouldn't matter if he/she also died; I didn't care.

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Part 2:

So, anyways, Nisargadatta said when asked "Q: If time and space are mere illusions and you are beyond, please tell me what is the weather in New York. Is it hot or raining there?" :


"N: How can I tell you? Such things need special training. Or, just travelling to New York. I may be quite certain that I am beyond time and space, and yet unable to locate myself at will at some point of time and space. I am not interested enough; I see no purpose in undergoing a special Yogic training. I have just heard of New York. To me it is a word. Why should I know more than the word conveys? Every atom may be a universe, as complex as ours. Must I know them all? I can -- if I train"

I am not interested in reaching H/A so that I can somehow become more attractive to people due to reduced ego or whatever. I am not interested, at least now, In receiving love from other monkeys; I don't want to become Wayne Dyer 2.0. Since the start I've been on this for "hedonistic" gains; I want to have as much money as I want without doing anything, because I hate other humans and I am allergic to anything that envolves group working, licking balls of people higher in the working hierarchy, developing a network of conections, etc. I also am not altruistic. Not being able to do those things, It's pretty hard for me to succeed in life in the "normal way".

I have been reading about those Indian guys that were able to materialize gold and diamonds out of thin air... According to your experiences, are such superpowers possible(considering the right amount of training)?