Author Topic: When you say T/R is a kind of cellular knowing...  (Read 19912 times)

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Does the desire for women ever go away, or is a person bond to desiring the opposite sex(or same sex, whatever) as long as she resides in a body?

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Certain things come with the body, it needs to eat, breath, reproduce, etc. You will eventually outgrow them all when you wake up (drop your body). It's not the desire that is the problem, it's believing it and making it unnecessarily important. Anything that is transient (comes and goes) is not real and by definition temporary. Seek what never changes. Where does your desire for sex go when you have just had it. Don't fret, you will grow up one day... maybe. If not, so what.

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The only permanence I can find in myself is that of anxiety...

Btw Jed, what causes anxiety? Is it society's brainwashing that causes it in us?

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Nothing causes anything else... but I could make up a story that it's your resistance to what is.

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I don't really think it's possible for me to accept "what is"... I want to change "what is" because "what is" is crappy for me. My dream is to become free of everything that bounds me, and the things that bound me are outside of my power to control. How could inquiry ever change the cold and hard facts of our reality?

For example, if a person feels sad because she wants to travel around the world, but unfortunately for her, this person lives in a miserable war-torn third world country, and the money this person earns is barely enough for food, clothing and shelter... How useful would doing the work or any other kind of inquiry be to this person? Would writting 10000 pages of spiritual autolysis change the fact that this person has to wake up in the same place every morning, and face misery everyday? Would inquiry change the fact that this person has desires she's in no power to control, desires that need to be fullfilled, but can't, thus bringing constant suffering to the life of this person?

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Find out who this "you'' is who desires and doesn't desire. As Nis said, that will take the sting our of it all.

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I was always depressed, but lately things got really, really worse. My life is constant suffering. Deep, deep sadness and I feel like I am saturated by hopelesness. It's just suffering with no end in sight and no hope. My life is complete hell, Jed.

I am not gaining anything from being depressed, as you might think; I would give a leg and an arm to make this stop. Also, I have no one which I wish to get attention from by being depressed... I have no one in my life. It's just me and my suffering.

Could you please be more specific about whatever happens after death, so that it could help me gather courage to end it all, that is, commit suicide? Please don't worry about having your name on the news as someone who helped a person convince himself to commit suicide... I'll make sure no one ever finds about this thread and discovers all the talk I had with you

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Hi there:

Well, now you have the attention of potentially thousands of people who might stumble across your post... so no more b.s. about not wanting attention. Now, to you question.

Whatever your childhood, or upbringing religious/spiritual beliefs are, that is what you will first encounter. A Muslim experiences a Muslim world, a Christian experiences a Christian world, etc. This is necessary because the loss of a body is a substantial loss and the shock needs to be minimized. The trick, which very few understand, is that old saw, 'Ás above, so below''. Your near term after death experience is an illusion, as is your living human experience. I suggest you approach death carrying an attitude of uncompromising. ''I settle for Truth ONLY''. What happens after that, no one knows.

It is also a very ''healthy'' idea to intentional release and forgive everyone and everything that has ever arisen in your dream. Nothing short of total forgive (including and especially ''you''). If you don't do it now, you will be called to do it at some time. All unforgivens are attachments that you don't need.

Love ya, Jed.

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Well, thanks for the more-than-usual direct answer. I don't care if it's another illusion waiting for me after I die as long as I'm done with the BS life I have at this moment

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So... have you done all that forgiveness stuff???

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What is forgiveness? How do I know if I really forgave someone "correctly"? Because I have already tried forgiveness(in fact I'm trying that ACIM workbook thing also, but the results are few) but trying to forgive all the people I hate didn't decrease my feelings toward them even a little...  actually it made me feel worse about myself and just increased the inner rage and depression. If I think about my mother, brother, father, god, etc... I can instantly feel an anger rush running through my body, because I hate all of those very much.

So, the real question is: How can I truly forgive someone? Should I just repeat "I forgive person x for what she did to me" until it works?

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It's as simple as making a decision. You can repeat whatever works best for you. And if you have trouble forgiving, then forgive yourself for having trouble forgiving. Don't make it more complicated than need be and start as small as you possibly can.

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In one of his latter books, Nisargadatta said that the pourpose of his words was to make the listener feel hurt inside; he said that if the listener felt hurt from listening to his words, that meant they worked. Why's that? Can you explain it? Do you agree with this method of teaching?

My theory about this is that by making those people feel hurt and depressed, it forced them to think by themselves and eventually develop maturity so that they could have the strenght to kill the autority Nisargadatta had over their minds, thus turning his harsh words into nothing.

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I won't try to explain his methodology... but I do understand it. Why he uses those words is meaningless. He never chose them.

Find something that works for you and work it. Stop jumping around.

Love ya, Jed.

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In your books you say that consciousness created the manifest universe because of boredom... but how could a disembodied and uncorrupted consciousness fall into the unwholesome state of boredom? Buddhist monks manage to control and become free of boredom thourgh bodily discipline... So how could a perfect, joyful, infinite and omnipotent consciousness ever get bored?

Sorry but that dreamstate book is a big load of bull, sincerely