INVISIBLE GURU FORUM

Yes, yes; I get it. "I" just have to keep meditating until those delusional views of mine drop away...


Now I'll just share some mental **** I've been doing:

From the Pali Canon:

"O bhikkhus, when neither self nor

anything pertaining to self can truly and really be found, this

speculative view: 'The universe is that Atman (Soul); I shall be

that after death, permanent, abiding, ever-lasting, unchanging,

and I shall exist as such for eternity' -- is it not wholly and

completely foolish?"

If we take Gotama the contemplative to be T/R, this would confirm in buddhism the basic difference between god consciousness(connection to the I am) and genuine enlightenment; the difference between someone who has discovered the "I am"(ie, someone who's in the "edge" of T/R) and someone who has become T/R and came to the discovery that nothing is real, including any notion of a possible self.

But Gotama was probrably not T/R, and in his vision, you're deluded for calling "Truth" your real self, i.e, you're still clinging to a self according to buddhism, and still prone to suffering, ignorance and rebirth on hell realms. Instead, Gotama's view that the "I am" is not the ultimate comes not from the fact that there's something beyond(T/R), it comes form the fact that buddhism has the end of suffering as it's basis, not genuine enlightenment; this is why the atman/I am is downplayed and mind and behaviour control is held at a such high pedestal in this religion. Gotama fell for the trap.