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waldo

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2016, 03:25:21 pm »
Been doing the sense thing from rant on techniques.
   
There arises a natural state of just-perceiving, thought ceases, and the experience becomes more of an awareness of energy as big and still rather than being localized.  It is a very attractive and stable state, and functions still happen, meaning it's not a ramana state of non activity, when prompting for action comes around, response happens.  It is indicated, apparently.  That's an appropriate word.
  This state seems really desirable to let go into, or at least to let go of the front-of-the-head thought/sight experience as not desirable and see what happens. 

but, it happened to hit, who is aware of this?  There is fricken awareness of the perceiving, it is hallucinated that that was glimpsed  That's the real surrender, isn't it?

I feel a case of the existential bends coming on, Jed, and there's a madman who looks just like me, waiting with a harpoon.  I mean, when thinking happens, it's not very cool about this whole deal.  What an ass-hat

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2016, 08:03:57 pm »
See.. the universe is always presenting wonderful things... just learned ''ass-hat''...  :o ::) :P

Love ya, Ass-hat. (not sure what it means yet. I'll Google it)


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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2016, 08:05:30 pm »
Got it... asshat, vulgar term for a stupid person. Ahh... my day is complete.

Cheers.

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2016, 08:07:45 pm »
 ;D

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2016, 02:39:25 am »
huh, the universe, unbeknownst to itself, changed asshat from and adjective to a name...

there's no sincerity to my approach!
the I that is writing this needs to be split from, and knows it, but still is engaged with to have this relationship.  All the relationships.  The cost is all of them, and I don't know how you did it.  And yet it's misery to not do it and see it.   

Surrender is surrender, there's no questions about where or how or what, it's understood. 

I don't have a question, and I can't even give a feeble attempt to make one up.

You're too sexy for your hat Jed.

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2016, 02:46:43 am »
Thanks for the laugh... :D :D :D

Yes, yes, as you say.. Surrender is surrender, there's no questions about where or how or what, it's understood.

Anything less than that is just pretend play... much like forgiveness.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2016, 03:12:26 am »
being looks really really super great in how it does it's thing with itself.  Well, the ending seems a little strange, all things considered.  Sort of unknown twist.

The feeling of just forgiving and letting that energy go is really nice, thanks for the intention.  amazing how malleable the 'me' is, and how the same place was inhabited for so long, being all miserable. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2016, 03:24:52 am »
 ;) ;) ;) :P :P :P

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2016, 07:46:10 pm »
haha no need to be dramatic is there?

'there is no such state as seeing the real.  Who is to see what?  You can only be the real - which you are anyhow.  The problem is only mental.  Abandon false ideas, that is all.  There is no need of true ideas; there aren't any'.  -Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Beautiful, what a moment of creation that was, for me to see now. Existential hole in one on a par 4. 
If it doesn't work out and there are sticking points, or I go bananas, I hope the forum is still here to haunt!  Thank you for making this interaction available. 

Is there anything at all you'd like to say, if I just invite it openly?

Love,
Joel. :)

   

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2016, 11:26:34 pm »
Good work Waldo...

Now comes the most profound think I can come up with... Further.

Love ya, Jed

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2016, 01:14:48 pm »
H Jed, if I just sit down and recognize falseness, 'I' fade back into the neighborhood of the perceiving state without mych ado, for whatever period of time, in a circle for as long as the intention keeps manifesting.  It seems that there should be a stabilization if this is persisted in (I understand why you said praying as an activity now!), but I have a question. 

I said before it was glimpsed there is awareness of the perceiving, but I can't think about the same way I van the perceiving, breaking it into pieces, it just seems like I was it, but like a camera flash duration. 

I wonder if there is a way to let go of the whole thing as one big falsehood, instead of a process of attrition?  I mean, I know it can be done, because it already happened once (I hallucinate), but do you have any suggestions about how that intention could be cultivated?  Hahaha the universe is trying to jedi mind trick itself into jedi mind tricking it.  hahahahha 
Or should I have just stayed sitting there and not engaged at all to go and write this, haha. 
 

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2016, 10:16:19 pm »
Stop trying and stop wanting to reproduce a passing experience. Simple but not easy.

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2016, 06:58:04 pm »
Hi Jed, regarding not trying and not wanting to reproduce experience, you are right, it isn't easy.  I recognize that the memory and desire come in the form of thought, and energy gets wound up with the thought.  When thought is seen as it is and let go of, there is no more of that.  Haha except sometimes there is the thought to let go of thought, and that leads to an 'I' created suppression that seems to make the energy system wonky and is quite uncomfortable, but that is getting noticed pretty easily. 

ButI have found a sticking point with certain relationships that have stronger feelings attached.  Whenever certain people or things are encountered (visually or mentally, without quibbling that the visual is mentally created) the whole spontaneous motion of relinquishment stops and I end up jammed into thought until it stops, again spontaneously.  All spontaneously.   It's all just thought created relationships, I get that, but the energy with each is different, and it seems like that is really what it is all about, mind making up stuff to make up a feeling.  Apparently I am a control freak.

 Do you have any suggestions that could help 'equalize' the view that certain ideas are more important than others?

Thanks for your time,
 Waldo.

PS- as per instructions on another thread, I sent a 'waiting list' email regarding the nav series.  Being as I don't know what it is, I leave it up to you, but anything that will help towards TR is appreciated.  It used to always be 'around the next corner' sort of thing, and now it seems like 'let all the corners, and the one rounding them, go'.  So I dunno, but my mind still feels there is something it needs to see, even if there is seeing that it doesn't have relevance to this!  Paradox sickness.  :-\

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2016, 10:29:12 pm »
Let's wait until you go over the Series Deliverables. Talk later,

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Re: Where's who?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2017, 11:49:50 am »
 :-\

this consciousness appears to arise with sensory experience (including thought as something 'sensed'), and both appear part of the same thing, the same movement, depending on each other to exist.

 Dreams appear obvioiusly not different than waking state, consciousness of sensory stuff, and in deep sleep both consciousness and sensory stuff  (that one 'function'??) seem to disappear.

What's going on is often there is just a consciousness/perceiving happening, as a state, and from that sometimes comes awareness that there is consciousness/perceiving.  Different subject in the subject-object relationship.

From that there is a movement towards giving the consciousness up.  Not a thought, a movement.  Experientially, consciousness tied to senses seems to be disturbing at that point, but the movement thus far doesn't develop into a volition.

My question is have you ever contemplated giving up the sensory consciousness as untruth, as one object, or has that volition ever arisen, and if so to what effect?  Would you encourage this mind to dive in those waters? 
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Appreciated.

PS- wow this whole thing is so strange.  quote from the ninth configuration- 'if there is a god, it's a big foot'.  Interesting movie if you like them and haven't seen it.
 
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