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Title: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 15, 2016, 05:16:59 am
To anyone reading this, give it a try.

Instructions:

1.) If you are reading this and sitting down, stand up for just a moment and then return to sitting.
2.) If you are reading this standing up, perhaps on your droid, sit down for just a moment and then return to standing up.
3.) What is your favorite kind of cookie?
4.) Do you drink coffee?
5.) What was the name of your grade one teacher?

Do those five steps first. I will post Part 2 soon.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Frits on December 15, 2016, 05:34:25 am
And if I choose to not give it a try?  ::)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 15, 2016, 06:00:05 am
Wait until Part 2.... patience Frits.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Frits on December 15, 2016, 06:36:40 am
Okay, then. ;D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: DiogenesOfNike on December 15, 2016, 06:58:40 am
I like the way this is going...  ::)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 15, 2016, 09:39:47 am
Actually, this doesn't apply to you Frits, so don't do it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 15, 2016, 10:00:52 am
Geez... I screwed up again. I just checked my Instant Guru Training Manual and noticed it does apply to Fritz, but only on Fridays. Don't understand why, but hey, ya gotta go by the book, otherwise you ain't  a good guru.

Love ya,  Jed. (suggested guru sign-off).
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: alig on December 15, 2016, 10:14:07 am
Jed is pulling a prank on us 😜

Skickat från min LG-D855 via Tapatalk

Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 15, 2016, 10:58:33 am
Only always...  are ya game?

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: peacemaker on December 15, 2016, 11:17:45 am
He entered the office and asked:

- Is it here where you learn to be free?
- Yes, please sit down and wait

He waited five years then he stood up and left...
...and he started to be free
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: alig on December 15, 2016, 11:31:47 am
I'm all down for it ;)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: peacemaker on December 15, 2016, 11:43:42 am
I dont recall deciding that I like coffee, and it is so hard to retrieve the memory of my teacher's name... what's happening Jed? who is in charge? I hope is not Fritz!
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Frits on December 15, 2016, 01:47:39 pm
Only on Fridays, Peacemaker, only on Fridays.  8)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Wes on January 07, 2017, 08:26:54 pm
Define "soon"

 ;)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Forum member on January 08, 2017, 02:43:42 am
Yes finally!! It happened!! Jed, can you please confirm?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: oat dog on January 16, 2017, 05:20:30 pm
Here goes:

1.) I can't sit up 'cause my cat is sleeping on my lap so it's not really my decision
2.) no droids of any kind
3.) haven't tasted it yet I believe (otherwise a chocolate chip cookie)
4.) yes please. Oh, and just milk, no sugar.
5.) I completed my first grade in two separate schools but I don't recall any names

so.... where's the part two? And what about my coffee?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: lynnth on February 11, 2017, 02:04:10 pm
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Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Midnight on February 12, 2017, 09:30:03 am
Haha, it works! That's great!  ;D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: bro on February 13, 2017, 05:26:48 am
Who are the steps? IMHO all questuions only for ego. I can't sit, stand, drink, etc. I only can perceiving. Heh, I can't even read and write.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 14, 2017, 07:34:46 am
You provide Part 2.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: lynnth on February 14, 2017, 03:48:01 pm
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Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 15, 2017, 11:41:12 am
Enjoyed it immensely. Still contemplating it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Nor on June 13, 2017, 04:09:32 pm
Was lying down.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 13, 2017, 10:55:32 pm
 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Lian on June 17, 2017, 07:09:59 pm
Nobody knows why they do what they do (the ultimate purpose), so they are all used or played.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Frits on June 18, 2017, 02:44:59 am
Nobody knows why they do what they do (the ultimate purpose), so they are all used or played.

There is nobody here doing anything and there is no ultimate purpose, so who would be using or playing anybody that doesn't exist for no purpose whatsoever?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: bree on June 19, 2017, 08:29:27 am
Bro .. i'm foolish enough to try all 5 steps  ;D. I'm game !
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Lian on November 15, 2017, 02:09:35 am
I can define free will as doing what I want at any moment. So, an idea comes to my mind and I do what I want at that moment, believing I have free will. But doesn't that mean I am not independent, that someone or something else put that idea into my mind, making me believe I have free will, while in fact I don't have free will?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 15, 2017, 05:16:39 am
Find our for your self.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Artyom on November 25, 2017, 05:24:27 pm
I can define free will as doing what I want at any moment.

Yeeeeah!!!
Lian, thank "you" so much!
The key component for me was "at any moment".
Offcourse! Now my mind sees, that it cannot control itself at ANY moment. Even the wish to control came only NOW, not 2 hours ago. The wish or intent also arises only when it arises. Not at ANY moment, but only when it's "time".
I see now that I don't control myself. Even this understanding is not my achievemnt. It just happened. Not when I asked for it, but when it happened.
It hurts a bit, but is also liberating.

This is another prove that our posts can be VERY helpful to each other. You never know what can click in your mind. Just TWO  words and the next door is opened and another illusion is recognised and destroyed automatically just by understanding. Total mind f**k and I love it. Wow!  :D :D :D :D

Example of typical inner dialogue in the mind or between two characters:
- I can quit smoking whenever I want.. At any moment!
- Oh yeah? Do it now!
- Now I don't want it, but if i did, I would quit immedieately!
- Really? So, Right now do it! Want it right  now. Make this action of wanting right now!
- Well...Eeeehhh... mmmm.... I don't want to want.
- Ahahahah!!!

Love, Artyom.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 25, 2017, 06:49:07 pm
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: j( on November 25, 2017, 11:34:31 pm
I can define free will as doing what I want at any moment.

Yeeeeah!!!
Lian, thank "you" so much!
The key component for me was "at any moment".
Offcourse! Now my mind sees, that it cannot control itself at ANY moment. Even the wish to control came only NOW, not 2 hours ago. The wish or intent also arises only when it arises. Not at ANY moment, but only when it's "time".
I see now that I don't control myself. Even this understanding is not my achievemnt. It just happened. Not when I asked for it, but when it happened.
It hurts a bit, but is also liberating.

This is another prove that our posts can be VERY helpful to each other. You never know what can click in your mind. Just TWO  words and the next door is opened and another illusion is recognised and destroyed automatically just by understanding. Total mind f**k and I love it. Wow!  :D :D :D :D

Example of typical inner dialogue in the mind or between two characters:
- I can quit smoking whenever I want.. At any moment!
- Oh yeah? Do it now!
- Now I don't want it, but if i did, I would quit immedieately!
- Really? So, Right now do it! Want it right  now. Make this action of wanting right now!
- Well...Eeeehhh... mmmm.... I don't want to want.
- Ahahahah!!!

Love, Artyom.

Your weak will power is not confirmation that free will does not exist. I quit smoking because I wanted it. Sorry about your lack of self control.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 26, 2017, 06:39:50 pm
Self control  ::) ::) ::) ??? and who is controlling what, and how?

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: j( on November 27, 2017, 12:16:35 am
In this context self control over addictive behavior is done by strengthening awareness and not lapsing into unconscious behavior. I've demonstrated that even with leaving this forum for a time in order to discover “truth” myself rather than being indoctrinated by a guru. As it pertains to free will I've therefore proven to myself that free will does in fact exist unless it's not claimed and or there is some sort of disociation issue with the individual where they lack the ability to take ownership of their behaviors and refuse to be accountable in any way which is further seen through as a coping method when dealing with traumatic life experiences but a major hindrance towards making any sort of positive changes moving forward.

At that point one is just simply subject to being a victim of unconscious behavior and will continue to shift blame to some unknown or unseen force. Complete disempowerment of the individual which then leads to victim conciousness. To each their own..just not exactly my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 27, 2017, 11:16:01 pm
What specifically is this ''individual'' that you refer to? I fail miserably at finding such but and certainly open to suggestions.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Mr important on November 28, 2017, 11:03:09 am
About six months ago i was convinced of the idea i quit cocain and gambling. Last saturday i woke up with nose full of **** and an empty bankaccount. I was suprised, because i didnt expect to make that mistake ever again. I chose not to do it. But when the right buttons are touched, im gone. Now my so called free will is taking my ass to a clinic to dive into the field of addiction to find out how this fucker keeps getting me down. Sometimes there is no grip. And then there s a verry violent way of learning. But still... there's learning.

There certainly is nothin static in me(yet). But the consequences of this dynamic form i am are really there and are my responsibility. Its just not fair 😁
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: j( on November 28, 2017, 12:23:02 pm
Relapse in behavior is indication that you don't truely want to quit. No biggie but pure intention is all it takes. You decide then you do. Kinda like I don't want to set myself on fire so I choose not to. It's really that simple.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Mr important on November 28, 2017, 12:56:56 pm
You dont truly want to or truly dont know how to? If you where raised by wolves, how is het possible to behave human? Have human values, borders.. if there is no foundation at all? If there was no example? Then... if you grow a few addictions, getting rid of them is called learning on the job. And then sometimes you crash and learn about that.  Get your ass up again and practice what was learned. Story of my life. The way certain patterns are triggerd is , sometimes, quite complicated and it shoots you in the head like a sniper.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: j( on November 28, 2017, 01:49:16 pm
You dont truly want to or truly dont know how to? If you where raised by wolves, how is het possible to behave human? Have human values, borders.. if there is no foundation at all? If there was no example? Then... if you grow a few addictions, getting rid of them is called learning on the job. And then sometimes you crash and learn about that.  Get your ass up again and practice what was learned. Story of my life. The way certain patterns are triggerd is , sometimes, quite complicated and it shoots you in the head like a sniper.


How to quit - do not do it.

Everything else is your reason for why you don't want to. Like I said pure intent. Simple,  not easy.

Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Mr important on November 29, 2017, 12:11:55 am
I cannot agree. And actualy i dont get the feeling that you know what you are talking about at all. Ask a skitzofrenic to just quit acting like that. Ask someone who had a stroke to start using the right side of his face again... but ill be back here to tell you i was wrong and you were right if that is going to be the outcome of this story. Thats what its all about in the end, isnt it?

What made you decide to come back here j?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 29, 2017, 01:19:15 am
Remember, miracles are just sufficiently advance technology that we have yet to grasp. Now, did I make that up or remember it... I can't remember... either way...  ::) ::) ::)

Love ya, Jed.

Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Mr important on November 29, 2017, 01:53:06 am
Innovations are just ideas waiting to be discovered.. yeah.. but before that happens.......
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: j( on November 29, 2017, 08:23:45 am
I cannot agree. And actualy i dont get the feeling that you know what you are talking about at all. Ask a skitzofrenic to just quit acting like that. Ask someone who had a stroke to start using the right side of his face again... but ill be back here to tell you i was wrong and you were right if that is going to be the outcome of this story. Thats what its all about in the end, isnt it?

What made you decide to come back here j?

The "thing" that brought me back here was me. My decision. As is it when I leave. As it pertains to you it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what you "know." For what it's worth I can tell you how your story will go based on what you've expressed here. But hey no problem. I seem to be getting clearer all the time that I need to hone in on myself and clear distractions. Thanks for the chat.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 29, 2017, 10:59:13 am
Got is J:

Now go for it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Mr important on November 29, 2017, 01:58:37 pm
Good luck maestro. And thank you to.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Free Will, Part 1
Post by: Jed McKenna on November 30, 2017, 03:44:26 am
 ;) ;) ;)