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Jed Rants => Truth Realization => Topic started by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 01:50:02 am

Title: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 01:50:02 am
Dear Members:

O.K. No more ****-footing around. Let's get extreme... really extreme. When the (perported) astronauts go into space, they report the darkness of space as not being black, but a sorta black velvet color, or lack of color. It's seems the only thing that is consistent in their rather ridiculous stories. Maybe something there though.

What's to say this apparency is not all illusion. Now, I'm not talking a little illusion, that of happiness, sadness, me, you, love, hate, God, devil ... I mean what if asbolutely everything, regardless of it's degree of apparent solidity or not, is nothing whatsoever. There isn't even a standard available of something that is in order to prove something isn't. It's just all an ''isn't'', no dreamer required for the dream, because neither is, no possible reason for anything because nothing is, including every thing that has appeared to be, does appear to be or will appear to be.... never was, never is and never will be.

Could this be the only explanation for everything, the ultimate theory? It does cover "everything" quite fully because accordingly nothing ''is'' including the aforementioned. I, this world and this universe disappeared to me one non-existent day in a non-existent past. I just realized there never actually was, am or will be an "I''. Everything up to that point was pretty much a delay in just realizing it but since everything up to that day never was, and time isn't, it is and was all quite irrelevant. T/R is always instant and now.

You might ask who realized it. That's a little like the no perceiver, nothing perceived and only perceiving happening. There's nobody home. Nobody realized anything, there was nothing to be realized, however realizing happened. All on it's own.

Why did this all happen. You can't have a reason for something that didn't happen, for something that never was or will be. No reason exists for anything because there is nothing. 

If it felt like anything, I would say it felt a little like that velvety black, just more and more and more of nothing.

What is all ''this'', this apparent world, people, blah, blah? It's nothing pretending to be something. Doing its damnedest and failing over and over and over. Of course, with no such thing as failure or success, doing it over and over and over is going nowhere fast because there is no where to go. Nothing to be and nothing to do, nothing to gain and nothing to lose. 

As with Buddha, you will gain nothing from T/R because there is nothing to be gained.... other than the disappearance of the universe. It's the mother of all loses and the father of all beginnings. And those too don't exist.

One might well ask... ''Why the heck are there so many people writing about it when there is nothing to say?" Ohh.. that's a tough one. ::) ::) ::)

Love ya, Jed.



Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: DragonTree on December 19, 2016, 02:02:54 am
".... other than the disappearance of the universe. It's the mother of all loses"       Okay...
 "and the father of all beginnings. And those too don't exist."         ??? don't get it.

Its the same with any other time you've said something like "you have nothing to lose and EVERYTHING to gain" I don't follow. Apologies if its pulled too far from original context
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 02:30:02 am
You gain the nothingness, the velvety black of space, and that is all there is. Nothingness is everything and that's what you get. Of course, that's not true because there is no you to gain anything. Don't be lured into thinking something exists. That's what the dream (Maya/ego) wants you to do. Every apparent thing has a hidden agenda of continuously trying to make itself appear real when it isn't. This applies to oranges, pliers, dogs, trees, humans, coffee beans, fish, computers... most of all to iPhone and Apple users. Don't ask me why on that last one, just some anomalous behavior appearing in my data set.

This has nothing to do with your mind or who you think you are. Your mind cannot take you there because there is nowhere to go and no one to take the journey. Indeed, it's not even a journey. You are ''It''. Not much more can be said about it, but that probably won't stop me, and others, from trying.

If you could think your way there, there would be millions who would be T/R because millions have tried to find ''It'' .... in mind, looking for it where it isn't, in something that doesn't exist... failing over and over and over... merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life if but a dream... thinking that T/R is important when nothing could be further from the truth... and nothing could be further from Truth.

Love ya, Jed.

Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 02:44:10 am
Frits... hello Frits... are you there? Can you here me...  ??? ??? ???

Oh well, guess I'll go for an imaginary walk in my imaginary world .. and try to find my imaginary friend.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Frits on December 19, 2016, 05:00:26 am
Yeah I'm here... well, not really of course, but you get the drift. :D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 05:45:20 am
 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 19, 2016, 07:50:17 am
Something just turned off all the lights and stole the audience.

Damn, it doesnt even stop there.



Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 10:21:04 am
... nope.... nothing goes on and on... it's very, very big....

love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 19, 2016, 02:49:32 pm
jeez Jed now I don't know if I even want T/R anymore... you make it sound so...empty  :-\  ???
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: adinfinitum on December 19, 2016, 03:43:50 pm
On the contrary it's kind of a relief, cutting the chase... i.e not having to run anywhere for anything...
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Frits on December 19, 2016, 05:01:33 pm
jeez Jed now I don't know if I even want T/R anymore... you make it sound so...empty  :-\  ???

"Empty" is space without anything, T/R isn't even space... yet it is all there is (meaning everything else isn't) ;D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: warnie on December 19, 2016, 10:45:07 pm
this idea that I exist is what is impossible to get rid of by the I that it created. It appeared out of no where was not asked for or wanted by anything.
It internalised and personalised itself. It may be possoble for that to get rid of everything upto the idea of its own existence, but that is as far as it can go.  If for whatever reason that idea of existance collapsed, the internalising gone and centre gone, any idea of existing or non existing gone. how can anything exist to something that was no individual experience of existing.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 10:50:16 pm
It can't and it doesn't Warnie.

You have to be a little nuts to want this. But in this world take heart. Everyone else is bat-s**t crazy.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: december on December 19, 2016, 11:33:29 pm
Oh, yes!  Good one  Velvety.  Like it's a textured and so soft no thing  nothing. Yep.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2016, 11:38:49 pm
Are you suggesting I  am ''velvety''... wow... never been called that one, but I like the feel of it.

Love ya, Jed. (el mano de velvet) (doesn't work well in Google translate)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: warnie on December 19, 2016, 11:50:42 pm
I understand that. As to the idea of choice. I dont know. With me there has always been a push or a drive and it didnt appear to be a choice, as I said i dont know.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 12:20:33 am
It's not that you don't know... it's that you CAN'T know anything, ever. You can only think you know and doing so lulls people back to sleep. Just allow not-knowing to be. It's a marvelous place to be.

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: warnie on December 20, 2016, 12:38:18 am
Thanks for that Jed.
cheers
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 20, 2016, 01:01:29 am
Much of this i am finding difficult to describe, mind and description seem to become real again in the apparent process. Jeez, even language!


A dream that happened a few days back (ridiculous concept ) just repeated the word ' everything' 'everything', (but in French). It woke me up.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 01:11:35 am
Language is the foundation of the false separation. Demonically effective.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: alig on December 20, 2016, 06:07:13 am
Would we be abiding in no self if there was no language invented?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 06:56:15 am
That's hard to say, I'd need words to know... perhaps.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 20, 2016, 07:17:41 am
Seems to have no-thing infers the absence of some-thing or the opposite of nothing (-1) everything (1). They cancel in this fashion (-1)Nothing + (1)Everything = 0.

0 = Anything
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 07:20:52 am
Stories, stories, what is your experience, sans stories?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 20, 2016, 07:24:45 am
Actually (even in my experience) nothing is the only thing that can't exist. I can create the concept of nothing...That ain't it.

Sans the stories is simply a still mind not a new belief system such as "no I" or "everything is nothing" but like you said...Nice story ;)
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 08:26:39 am
YES J:

Get it! All stories, you, me, absolutely everything is a story. What are stories for, either learning or entertaining... and that's just a story.... to every thought in your head, just say, "Thank you, but that's just a story. Tattoo it on you arm, have t-shirts made up, to everything anyone say, just say, ''Thank you, but that's just a story''. You will find out how many or you friends will be able to keep up with you on this journey to nowhere. Friends  ??? ??? ???, just a story, lovers  :P :P :P, just a story, need to work  >:( >:( >:( that's just a story. In fact, it's only a story that you even need to eat. Don't eat and what happens, you die... and that's just a story also. Your not alive right now, so what's wrong with dying? Make up another story....  8) 8) 8)

Love ya, Jed  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 20, 2016, 12:36:48 pm
Got it. We were talking about nothing actually existing. It cannot. Anything can and does.

I see nothing "wrong with dying" just didn't need to go that route too see what is and what isn't. Suffering in large comes from the idea that I could be lacking something which is not possible.

I've used a thorn to remove a thorn and discarded both. Left not with "no I" but just this, the space between everything and nothing at all. What will it be? Who knows.

Cheers back at ya j


Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: boxingdayisreal on December 20, 2016, 12:42:22 pm
That gratitude seems very useful too. Big difference between "thank you, that's just a story" and "fuck you story, you're just a story." Like ironing a pond.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Ken on December 20, 2016, 12:51:36 pm
Since, years ago,when i got what is popularly called depersonalized,I have felt like world is shrouded in some kind of darkness as if it's just a dream ,as if it's nothing(takes away all the fun out of everything).It comes back when i take long journeys or maybe when I am in emotional pain or speak about depersonalzation or read stuff like what you wrote.Maybe I need more concentrated focus to pull me up.

maybe I should only target self but there is a fear that I won't find anything there.Ah! I shouldn't post when my heart is in turmoil and my mind clouded with emotions.

Love ya.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 20, 2016, 01:22:03 pm
Thank you Ken for sharing your story... interesting, but nothing more than and interesting story. Don't think for a moment that I believe you.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 21, 2016, 02:06:26 am
so how does one proceed without volition?     Any point 'i' stakes a claim to and acts from    is just telling stories to itself in the darkness
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 21, 2016, 03:16:50 am
O.K. you have that at the level of mind. Now just continue to contemplate it until you have it at a cellular level. How will you know? Don't worry, you will know.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 21, 2016, 06:05:17 am
I dreamt about progress too for a while and no matter how hard I tried, continued to just be here. Over and over again.

Maybe you find that ALL experience is filtered through perception which in turn is "made up." Maybe you find that everything has always been a story you tell yourself about the pretty pretty apparency. Including you spiritual journey. Then maybe you will shrug and just keep on making up stories because that's the only way to play in this playground unless you're really done playing, then you can have tr and go sit in a corner and make up a story about that too.

Just maybe you will be able to see the falacy in all things and so the seriousness of it all falls away. Then maybe you "proceed."  Maybe then you move on, drop it and be done. Is that progress? Hmm, didn't move an inch, just cleared the sleep from my eye.

Then again, that's just a story ;)

My best j

Here's a story from one of my favorite authors on the subject...

"there's really nothing left for me to do but play with Maya, the goddess of Illusion, not the dog, which she is quick to remind me is all I've ever really done. All my clever idea play has kept me amused but I am still sitting on a dead planet in the middle of nowhere and Maya take your pick is my only friend. I'm not unique in this regard it's the same for everyone the only difference is whether or not you know it" - Jed McKenna
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Frits on December 21, 2016, 11:03:01 am
Yes, that's just a story. And the fun part starts when you see that telling yourself it's just a story is just a story, and telling yourself it's all for entertainment, is just a story, and the sleep and the eyes and the clearing is just a story... just like this is... and that... and that... and (ad nausium)  ;D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 21, 2016, 11:17:02 am
Yes, the secret to T/R, to Enlightenment, the big secret that no one has shared up until some crazy m/f er in Holland said it... priceless ''... ad nausium''. Even I had a tough time spelling it.

Your new mantra... with a shrug.. ad nausium.... apply it to everything you experience, and more....

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Amanzo_Truth on December 21, 2016, 03:40:03 pm
Hi all (I mean nobody),
I don't think anyone would chose T/R. I think (and thinking with a nomind is tricky so this is guessing) consciousness is so creative that after experiencing appearances and drama of dreams it wants to experience an awakening in the dreams, the detachment maybe on infinite layers. We just see where our little "atman" is and can go with the flow. I doubt everyone will experience (for lack of a better word) T/R like Jed. If we're trying to simulate anyone else's journey it's probably ego leading and yet probably still amusing. I AM and this nothing is downright entertaining. I may not have wanted to be a puppet on a cosmic string but it's better to be what you are than fake some appearance. Eyes open so at least we see the nothing!

Thankful for a place to go crazy,
Amanzo 😀
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 21, 2016, 09:59:55 pm
This is not an insane asylum, it an asylum for the going-sane. While these are very different, I concede they can look similar at times.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 21, 2016, 11:23:15 pm
Addendum: Scientists first theorized the atom and attendant molecules. Then they set out to prove it and did indeed appear to find them. Then they went on to sub-atomic particles ... with names that sound like they were created whilst on a stoner in Vegas... maybe they where.

And, it goes on, and on and on. But what I think very few have realize (beside that brilliant scientist, Dr. Mckenna... oohh.. could it be me or Terrance  ??? ??? ???) that all these where not created during the Big Bang, which is another fairy tale for the masses, these have all been created by the scientists themselves. They theorize, they created and then they discover... oh yeh,  :o :o :o and then they seek more money with which they can create more particles. Your labor and taxes contribute to this, of course.  ;) ;) ;) .

Let me give you a more ''at home'' example. If you believe that everyone is evil, you can be sure that you will find that at every turn. It follows that bad things will happen as well. If you believe that all people are walking saints, you will find that. I'm talking really believe, not pretend. Let's suppose thousands of scientist set out to prove that people are evil... what will the result be? With the support of huge universities, governments, taxpayers, etc. they will be able to prove their theory. But what is really happening is they are creating that evil in order to validate their theories and expenditures.

You current human experience is a much like a dream, an apparancy, and in order for it to continue it must be continually in motion... things born, die, change, morph, are created, are discreated... and all of that is done by ''you'' for the purposes of novelty and entertainment (if a purpose is required for anything).

O.K. Jed, that's all very well in theory, but why did I create the crap in my world?

Good question, wrong identification. The you that you think you are is just a fig newton of your True Self's imagination. The True Creator (that's not a good description because it is so far beyond words) has been call many things, and all names are totally inadequate descriptors.

If you want to change something in your present experience (fess up... most of you do) you need to change what you identify with. The one reading this is deeply identified with his/her mind, thinking, memories, thoughts and body... all very, very insubstantial and only an effect, never a cause. The Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu is good on this, but funny in that he said no words can describe the void/mystery and then goes on to give us 5,000 words in an effort to describe it... still good reading.

So back to my tortious metaphor.... scientist are creating their sub-atomic world, then finding it and telling the world about it. But they have very little grasp of the mechanism... they are creating these things in mind and mind only. You are creating this dream at the level of Truth/mystery/The Void and have equally little knowledge of the mechanism.

The you that you currently identify with wants to change the dream but meets with little success, mostly frustration. Any success you experience could better be described as chance, or co-incidence. Remember, the broken clock is right on time twice a day. Is there an answer, a cure so to speak?

I suggest you start with a little b.s. Start by mimicking what the void is doing. Do your best to accept responsibility for everything you hear, see, feel, etc. You created it so might as well accept that and then go on even more high weirdness, want everything you have created. This is very big bite, a huge mouthful, because some things are just not that pleasant, however, to Truth/Void/The Mystery, there is no such thing as pleasant or not pleasant, just the ongoing dreaming.   

You, at the level of Truth creates the dream but as there is no personality and no desire within the void, it cares not what it creates, it doesn't even care if it creates anything but it's been wound up to create for this stage of the story. Things will be quite different in the next yuga, assuming for purposes of explanation that ''time'' actually exists.

Do you really want to change anything... not in my experience because very few people are willing to do what is required... to relinquish their grip on the dream. They cling for dear life to a sinking ship. Were does it all end... this illusory you eventually becomes worm food, or worm-hole food. If you can thoroughly give up wanting to change anything you will have the power to change everything but will have lost all desire to change anything.

This is the beginning of sanity... but that's just another story.

Love ya, Jed







Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: guest306 on December 22, 2016, 02:53:28 am
A little etymology wrapped in biblical mythology (you know since it is nearly Christmas)

Man fell from Eden through sin.
Sinning = missing the mark.
Missing the mark created the knowledge of good and evil (read: duality), which created suffering (adam had to get a job now to sustain himself and eve had to suffer from giving birth to children with gigantic information filled heads). Suffering = discomfort = disease = insanity.

How do you like them apples  :D ;)


Marcel







Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 22, 2016, 07:07:38 am
Love it.

This realization that I am never at the recieving end of creation was big time. All victimized has to go out the window at that point. Like you said creation does not care. It'll be whatever you like baby, you just have to be all in. By all in, I mean ALL IN your chosen reality. Unflinching. Yogic in the approach. 

When I stumbled upon the realization that, not only is there no objective reality, "out there" but that there never has been, there was a twinge that "oh  what if my ego wants to rise up and start controlling it's circumstances" thankfully I'd already ran through the idea that there was some separate "ego" to hammer down and all of the spiritual nonsense.

All that's really happening is you are becoming aware of what you've already been doing. Projecting "a world with meaning and purpose" or an "illusion with no meaning" You can take the passive approach and have no prefferences for what you see and experience or you can wake up to the fact that you and creation, the world "out there" have never been separate to begin with. You can challenge definitions and labels. You can again see that you are always generating "that mother f er over there" or that "beautiful waterfall over here".

This is what the kids are doing with the law of attraction stuff except they don't quite understand the mechanism and so they go on trying to imagine Lamborghinis in the drive and get depressed when the neighbors say that's not a Lamborghini dumb ass that a Ford. You're NOT asking permission. This is what it is and that poor bastard over there obviously just lives in a world with sh*tty vehicles. Consequently, when all you see is what you prefer, you prefer all that you see. If it's unsightly to you then either stop looking or see something else. Stop taking cues from circumstances and the circumstances will take their cues from you.

Creating your own reality is not for the faint of heart. However, you've already been doing it and it's not even hard because none of its real anyways 8)

Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: j( on December 22, 2016, 07:36:38 am
Re read what I just wrote and said to myself "your going crazy!" Then realized that I'd rather go crazy creating my reality than go crazy reacting to yours. 

My best j
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 22, 2016, 08:09:09 am
Well said J, I would agree if there was such a thing as reality... but, it's still a good point.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 23, 2016, 01:03:29 am
"If you can thoroughly give up wanting to change anything you will have the power to change everything but will have lost all desire to change anything."

sooooooo you can change  by not wanting to change??? So confused jed! >:( can you explain free will again?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 23, 2016, 02:16:34 am
I was also pondering free will yesterday, wondering how much i actually had, then started to contemplate if i was even displaying any, that perhaps it too was just a trick of the light that comes into view when seen from certain angles.  There is no me 'trying', no me 'controlling',      'it' arranging everything.

What followed was a bit like being hollowed out, no will, no 'i', just stuff happening. Things finding their own places on their own, all automatic. Felt like being inside out, empty, part of a larger machine, the so called world.  Nothing to do, and awe.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 23, 2016, 02:36:49 am
Free will requires a personality who would want to ''will'' something and have a free choice to do so. Who would that personality be when there is no such things as personality. What you call personality is a collection of memories link together and justified with stories signifying nothing ... this is about as flimsy are anything could be .. and yet, your personality takes itself seriously, sometimes to the extent that one dies over it. If you think that makes any sense at all you are quite out of your mind... no wait  ..... the opposite, you are quite in your mind and that is a rather sad and depressing place to be. Best to leave the mind and go beyond it, way beyond it. Much easier said than done.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: omnispective on December 23, 2016, 01:38:04 pm
i sell free space, who wants some? Or would you rather like one?
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Stanley on December 23, 2016, 02:52:20 pm
Hi Jed. Yes this sense keeps coming back to me. It I haven't accepted it yet. I S eem to be exhausting all other possibilities first and it seems necessary. The first time it occurred to me was overwhelming to the point of apoplexy. I am nothing. Damn. What a mindf***.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 23, 2016, 10:42:34 pm
Good work, all of you.. now further.

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: DragonTree on December 24, 2016, 03:12:44 am
A little etymology wrapped in biblical mythology (you know since it is nearly Christmas)

Man fell from Eden through sin.
Sinning = missing the mark.
Missing the mark created the knowledge of good and evil (read: duality), which created suffering (adam had to get a job now to sustain himself and eve had to suffer from giving birth to children with gigantic information filled heads). Suffering = discomfort = disease = insanity.

How do you like them apples  :D ;)


Marcel

"Man fell from Eden through sin."
I may be reciting the story wrong but they say the knowledge of good and evil was from  biting the apple right? They were given a (good/bad) choice as soon as god said not to touch the apples. In that story god made duality as soon as he said not to do something (ie: something can be wrong).
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 24, 2016, 07:03:51 am
Is that true? Really, is that true? How would one know? Faith, belief... hm...mmm...

Stories??? Nothing more.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: know1 on December 24, 2016, 01:02:24 pm
Childhood: Reacting (agreeing or disagreeing) with the will of others (supposed or imagined) i.e. parents, teachers, friends, politicians, ecclesiastical leaders, gods and so forth. This reacting is "victimhood", a blinding state in which the self is unknowingly self-victimized by it's own acceptance of programmed beliefs. Like trying to see the sun from the bottom of the ocean, the child (at whatever age) is in a constant sense of drowning, hence the "quiet desperation" most live with. A debilitating and difficult to see ego structure.

Adulthood: The rejection of other's opinions as gospel truth, the beginning of Self-Reliance, the shedding of self-limiting beliefs and the inception of the ability to navigate and create what one desires within supposed Reality. Attendant is also the beguiling sense of "I've got this figured out!" creating self righteousness, a new ego structure that itself becomes an impediment to "further".

Truth Realization: The total awareness that the "Self" is a fiction. One's imagined grip on reality is seen for the illusion it always was, as is one's sense of any objective or subjective reality.

The complete Understanding that no-thing can nor ever could fill the existential void at one's core, which then eliminates the sense of void altogether.

The internal (and possibly external) cascade failure of all supposed structures that seem to hold or prop up the "self" within; time, space, humanity, gender, family and any other belief/faith based story of one's relationship to some-thing or some-one, including self (duality) which leaves; No self.
The final and abiding elimination of a sense of separateness from All That Is which facilitates the total acceptance of what is i.e.. equanimity, cessation of the desire/pleasure cycle. Purely experiential, non-expressible. (And yet  ::) there appears to be trying ...)

Story: All of the above.

Paradox: Story apparently continues while the Understanding maintains that story is a fiction, one foot in, one foot out. "In the world but not of the world".

Perfection What is.

Unhappiness: A supposed self seemingly trapped in an illusion of disagreement with What Is.

Happiness: State of equanimity produced from total alignment with What Is.

Entertainment The feeling brought about while attempting to explain the unexplainable.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 24, 2016, 10:14:00 pm
Thanks for those enlightening stories.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: know1 on December 24, 2016, 10:29:07 pm
 ;) funny as hell ain't it! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: guest306 on December 25, 2016, 04:45:05 am
To Dragontree,

You're right.
Missed a spot there didn't I?
Come to think of it, duality would not have a beginning now would it?
For it to have a beginning one would have to imagine a time/place outside of duality. Which offcourse cannot be done.
But you know, at one point during al my storytelling, insights and all I came to see the unsatisfactoriness of them. All of them, at least in my experience, need belief (energy) and maintenance to sustain themselves. Not at first though, but as entropy would have it, ever story or meaning inevitably comes crashing down at one point. To temporarily prevent this from happening considerable amounts of energy have to be spent. In the end, at least for me, I stopped trying to find steady ground where it could not be found.
I don't think I'm done, but I have stopped searching. I guess this is called the cloud of unknowing in Christian contemplative traditions. A place (it is not a place offcourse) where nothing is gained, only lost.

Cheers,

Marcel
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 25, 2016, 07:12:47 am
So,   there is no 'me', its just a trick of light and reflections. 

There is no so called 'reality of physicality'

'Time' just another idea/story.

'Control and will', a story of maintaining ego

'I' had a plot, lost it, but its still around as an echo.

Things this so called body comes into contact with can seem vast compared to how they appeared in the story of 'I'  before.  Awareness is appearing quantum in nature, each thing attention gazes on can open up to the point where i lose the story of 'things', not knowing what they are, or are for.

Yesterday i witnessed shadows stretching in a way the relic of my human form would have found impossible, an aliveness within them. (Not a metaphor)

What delight!
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on December 30, 2016, 02:54:35 am
This seeming meltdown continues. probable marriage break-up, devastating loss, degrading of business, fighting with clients, closure of bank accounts, psychiatrists, therapists, enraged family members, loss of all friends, unstable personality, perceptual distortions, anger rage bliss, the lot etc.   So what?   Burn it all.

The thing about going over the edge is that that the normal limits of judging when and where to stop also getting erased. Each time i cling to a state of 'me', i hold on for dear life to a position that promises some sort of stability. I then subsequently see a therapist, try to gain insight blah blah blah, then things shift again and i am another version of 'me'. Its all built on sand, sand that shifts, sand thats probably just dust. Dust thats just relics and memories of things that are dead and illusory.   

I do see now why 'meltdown' can be a hothouse environment for  'cutting to the chase'  of all of this. 

This morning i am happy, exuberant, because the woman of my huge magical life game is still around, my soul mate  (puke!) someone who can take me over the edge at will just by sex and being near. To be honest its pissing me off because the exuberance is a new form of distraction  that clouds the clarity that everything is empty. Its a new set of illusions to murder, the apparent energy of it has thrown me back into other versions of 'me' in this hall of mirrors.

Where are the matches?



Damn, my eyes are on fire.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: seesaw on January 25, 2017, 05:44:37 pm
On the edge of dreaming i saw that i just don't exist, something saw the fiction of 'me'. 'I' am not confined to a physical organism, at the very least the sense of being fills the entire perceptual scene, and this just unfolds itself through time, no effort will meaning or explanations required. The awareness of my own absence is growing too, leaving a 'me' shaped hole. This dissolution appears to follow a natural current. Heck, i didn't put much effort into things before, now i realise there is no need to bother at all. Everything is a river.

During the day it becomes apparent that i am as much the person i am talking to as the focal point i previously took to be 'me'. Then work and concentration kick in and 'building things' just happens.

This is all very ordinary, and i frequently lose all interest in things like this forum or ideas of advancement. I mean, nothing is in charge, why ask anyone else? Despite that when i do return here and find new words there is a boost of some sort, a re-alignment that feels like an instant solar recharge. "Oh yeah that stuff".

Attachment to relationships also has weakened, or rather the roles enacted are undergoing changes. For what feels like the first time in ages i am looking to what i want, things that please me, rather than endless pleasing of others. Similar with looking at my own advice. Amazed that this is foreign feeling. just like with the dream, much is dissolving, the glue of 'self' is receding like shadows that never were.

Strange how losing self is bringing into sharper focus things something that i shall try to capture with the words 'authentic contentment'.  When alone vast tracks of thinking have left leaving peace in  their wake. Either that or just arguing with people and caring less and less.
Title: Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
Post by: Jed McKenna on January 26, 2017, 07:04:31 am
Good work, take it a little further now.

Love ya, Jed.