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Title: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on May 28, 2017, 07:42:57 pm
How to move from flow when the flow isn't appearing?  I had a lot of the "personal will" drop away 7 years ago, without realizing what happened at the time I went full bore into self improvement, manifesting all that bs.  The bottom dropped out again and I started listening to Adyashanti/Reading Jed's books.  I see that there is remains of a "me", but I don't know what to do in life. 

Take another job I hate to pay the bills?

Wait for the universe to kick in?

I don't know
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 29, 2017, 05:24:45 am
Dear SOB:

Thank you for writing and you question.. hmm.. what does one do when one has no free will... ::) ::) ::)

I suggest you do what everyone else does, pretend you have it. :P :P :P

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 29, 2017, 11:37:05 pm
Intuition is what told you not to go to the interview. Aren't you listening?

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 06, 2017, 08:50:13 pm
Don't think I can be of much help there.... other than to suggest patience and being open to what arises. Wanting, while difficult to avoid at times, only tends to block the flow.

Best wishes to you.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 06, 2017, 08:51:45 pm
there's been some changes in how things are perceived, time seems to run together now.  the work I did before some of this happened doesn't seem to fit.  it's hard to do well in sales when you don't fit in that mold anymore. 
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 06, 2017, 08:52:53 pm
I do understand that.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 09, 2017, 03:16:06 am
This may surprise you, but you are doing the opposite of what you ''should'' do.  You are trying to figure things out, to reason, to understand,etc. and that is the booby prize. Try entertaining paradoxes as often as you can... find something that doesn't make sense and just accept is, let that tension of not making sense just be... report on my desk in the morning.

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 10, 2017, 12:40:23 am
 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 13, 2017, 08:43:11 am
Yes, pretty funny. Jokes on humans.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 13, 2017, 08:52:56 am
at whatever stage I am in, are commitments are bad idea? It feels like they are.  for example,  I can't get back into sales as reasons previously discussed.  the amount of ego required to do it isn't there.  I had the thought to get into the trades,  I found a trade school that will sponsor an apprenticeship and pay for everything, but it's a 2 year commitment. 
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 13, 2017, 08:56:19 am
.... and ....

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 13, 2017, 08:58:52 am
when you went through this, did your old ways of working drop away?  did you get obvious signs of what to do?  I've been in a rut for a long time, of what feels like no movement.  I feel like I was making "progress" for years, than most of me dissovled and i'm in some kind of limbo, like theres some movement that should be there but isn't moving me
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 13, 2017, 09:44:01 am
Sure, I have had similar experiences up until I realize that was no me who could ever go anywhere and all 'my' struggles were a total was of time and energy.. which BTW, are also completely illusory.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 18, 2017, 11:19:20 pm
 :P :P :P

There is not cat, no such thing as dead and the road is just in one's imagination...  :o :o :o
 
Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 19, 2017, 10:13:27 am
after reading that I just started laughing
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 19, 2017, 10:18:32 am
Yup, what else could one do, really... what else?

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 19, 2017, 04:37:14 pm
"Looking in".  so this is what is looking in, to the manifested fabric or whatever this stuff is.  it shatters everything. 
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 20, 2017, 01:50:49 am
 ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 22, 2017, 06:23:26 pm
I found myself in a strange place while out shopping, the commentary in the head stopped totally for hours, and was stopped at that time.  I felt like I died.  I can't explan this.  I've had these moments before but not like this.  It was horrifying and peaceful at the same time.  I felt it was a very strange.  I can't seem to get myself to "do" anything.  There's been a lot of sitting or doing nothing, which is against everything I know.  I've put it job applications and no one is calling me, prayer doesn't work, nothing is manifesting at all.  just nothing.  how do I get this stupid thing to move so I can provide for myself?  ****
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2017, 09:05:08 pm
What do you mean ''nothing is manifesting''. Look around you.

Wanting pushes things away, essentially affirming and maintaining that you don't have and won't get what you want. I suggest extreme gratitude for the air you breath, trees, puppy dogs and children. I know that I'm beginning to sound like a country and western song, but what the heck. Try it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 22, 2017, 09:29:11 pm
I apologize I wasn't clear enough in my writing.  Yes I do need to add gratitute, there's a lot of resentment as my life has been rough the whole way.  I guess I feel like there should be some kind of thing showing up to show me what to do, or a purpose or patterns or something.  I dont' know.  Divine guidance, something.  I get the "no doer" thing and sometimes (thats they key word) it is my experience.  then it goes back this
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on June 27, 2017, 01:39:48 pm
"The universal dream
For those who wish to seem
Those who wish to be
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the fascination
The real relation
The underlying theme"

great song
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 28, 2017, 05:55:28 am
You said: I guess I feel like there should be some kind of thing showing up to show me what to do, or a purpose or patterns or something.  I dont' know.  Divine guidance, something.

I am a little flummoxed with with what you said. What do you think this forum is about, the books, the series, great writers such as Ramana and Nisargadatta? There is guidance all around you but you fail to open your eyes. I mean ALL around you. I just don't get it. If you are interested in pursuing H/R and T/R then get off you high horse and quit wasting time. Do something about it, like dealing with your resentments. If you think your life has been "rough the whole way" then buy a ticket and come here, I'll show you rough!

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on July 03, 2017, 12:18:22 am
yes.  I've had an illness for the last 10 years that has left me in pain/inflammation the whole time, gratitude is not something I have been practicing.  I am backed up against the wall, no real family or support and I feel like everything has fallen apart.  At the core I feel like a hollowed out rod.  Thank you for your advice. 
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on July 06, 2017, 03:50:33 pm
wondering if you had thoughts on breaking down certain sticky patterns.

for example, wanting/needing approval from others

I have been breaking it down like

If I am just thoughts, and others are just thoughts, then who is there to need approval?

Yet when I get around others the pattern is still there
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 07, 2017, 03:59:49 am
You are doing something about it, however, it's pretty slow as you probably have noticed. One of the challenges is you are using a logical conscious method to deal with slightly out of consciousness issue. In addition, it's very difficult to get the mind to come up with solutions that tend to eliminate the mind. It's subtly resistant.

The Series has some specific contemplations on this, but they are a little complex and require some guidance to complete successfully. Just be as aware as possible while trying not to change anything.

Love ya, Jed.

Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: silenceofbeing on July 07, 2017, 05:09:25 pm
The approval thing does seem to be one of the last straws, it seems not getting approval = death for false self
Title: Re: Stuck in no personal will
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 08, 2017, 09:00:31 am
Just more stories, booorrrrrinnnngggg...

Love ya, Jed.