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Title: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on March 24, 2016, 10:16:31 am
Hello Jed and everyone on the forum,


Jed, don't you want to do a comic about your experiences? hehehe...

I am an illustrator and comic artist, in fact I am more a graphic designer trying to move to making comics and illustrations.

And I was all my life disappointed because I didn't follow my dreams, I thought that it was going to be difficult to live doing my illustrations so I took the "safer" way that it was becoming a graphic designer.
Is not that I don't like graphic design, It's my passion too but making comics, illustrations, etc is really a dream for me. I am working on that, and I read one of your books, in fact I am actually reading it
and I really like the honesty you have on what you think about life and what you say to others about your experiences.

I really liked a lot when you said that everyone is your master or teacher, that you learn from everyone. That's is great. I think so too.

And about my spiritual life, it was a bit convoluted. I always was curious about Zen, and Buddhist meditation, Yoga, etc. I read a lot of books as a teen.
I was having a small graphic design studio in my native country, that is Uruguay.  But things were not working well, there was a big recession so I took a chance and
I moved to New Jersey and I am working in New York. I came with my wife and now we have a 9 year old daughter.

So, I was very disappointed about my country because I always thought that people there think like an small village, they don't think big. But, in fact now I realize that it was me that wasn't thinking big.
And I was here thinking only about working, and I was in my delusional thinking about getting a high paying job, etc etc... hehehehe.... and things didn't go the way I expected, it was not bad, but not as good as I expected.

And I got very depressed and I ended in the hospital in a psychotic episode. The stress at work, everything took me to that point, I like a lot the teaching of Jesus, so I went to a Church and I fried my brain hehehe...


At that point I did a full circle and I came back to the Buddhist teachings, I am meditating again and I feel much better. And really I learned two things that I needed to learn when I was at the Christian Church,
even when the cost was to go to a psychiatric hospital.

One, is that we have not free will. I didn't understand that part from the Bible, but now I think everything makes more sense. And it is not only from the Bible, I have investigated what science says about it and I found
that there were some scientific experiments that could arrive to the conclusion that there's not free will.

The second one was to make me so humble about the power of God, Nature, Universe, etc... whatever people want to call him. That this disposition opened my mind to a epiphany.

I was going to work on the subway and suddenly, I began to feel like filled with love. I loved everyone in the train, I can't explain with words what I feel.
The only thing I can say is that I thought "Oh, that's the way that God want us to love". It was something so deep and pure that I never experienced in my life.

Then I got off the train and I took another one, I take three trains to go to work hehehe... and when I was in the other train I begin to see like lights coming out from everybody.

It was like lights but the were like connecting dots between everyone, like if everyone where connected and I felt that everything I did was affecting everyone because we were all one.
I didn't think that at that moment, but now I understand that was what happened.

Then I saw my hand, and everything looked more real. My hand and arm had like these lights, like if my blood were done of light running through my arm, it was pretty crazy.
The thing I remember thinking was "that's what Jesus said that we will have rivers of living water running through us". Because that's how it looked like. Like if there was water, and
that water was so clear that it shined through my skin. And I also remember thinking "this is real life, I was dead and now I am alive". Everything looked to me more real than real life.

I saw the horizon, I was getting off the train and it was on a platform on a 2nd or 3rd floor. That's were I got off to go to work. I could see the buildings, everything from a high place.
And I looked everything and it seemed like the earth was breathing, like if it was a living thing. I saw the sky and there was like a swirl in the clouds. And I felt like that was God, or the Universe, or the Absolute, or the laws of nature, whatever people like to "label" him.

And I really felt overwhelmed, like if I was going to fall over my knees and say, Ok... I give up. You win. Hehehehe... it was pretty crazy but beautiful.

And I had some more experiences after that, one more I remember it was that when I wake up I didn't have identity. I didn't know who I was for a moment, before waking up. But I will tell about that in a future post.

Thanks again for opening this forum!


Daniel
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 24, 2016, 11:11:17 am
Dear Daniel;

Welcome to the forum, now for the **** slap. Please cut your blah blah down to 200 words or less. It's in your interest and mine. Keep in mind that you are not that important and what you have to say is only of interest to yourself.

Having said that, if you have a specific question, I may be able to assist or point.

Love ya, Jed.

Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 24, 2016, 11:20:04 am
No problem Jed, I got it.

I know I am not important, is that I just tried to make it short but I didn't know how to do it. Believe that I made it short, I had more stuff but I am not going to fill the forum with that, promised.

I got your message, thanks. I know sometimes I go around the bushes.


My question will be if that kind of experiences are expected when someone is looking for enlightenment or if it was something that wasn't real, only something made by my mind.
I am a bit confused about what's the next step, I was thinking in going to a buddhist center in New York to make meditation with someone who had the experience before.


I apologize for the long post!


Daniel
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 24, 2016, 11:21:32 pm
Hi Daniel:

Please express the experience you are talking about as concisely as possible. I didn't read you first post as I am simple too busy and assert come controls in the interest of assisting as many students as possible.

Thanks in advance.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 24, 2016, 11:35:01 pm
Thanks Jed again, this was my experience.

I was going to work, I was on a subway. And suddenly I was filled with love. I know it sounds corny but that was what happened. I loved everyone on the train, it was weird.
I remember me thinking "wow, that's the way God want us to love" because it was like an spontaneous love, like without reason just love.

Then I get off that train and I take another one, the love feeling was vanishing slowly. But when I was on the other train, I was almost arriving to my station and I saw my hands an my arm and I felt like more alive. I remember that I thought "I was dead, and now I am alive". It was like a reality more real than what I am perceiving now, it was everything like sharper, I don't know how to define it. I got off the train, and the platform of the station was like high, like a second or third floor. And I saw the city from the top, but I perceived like everything was breathing and everything was alive, and in the sky the clouds were like swirling in a powerful way. It gave me the sensation that it was God, but that was what I thought. The thing is that everything was alive.


Thanks Jed for reading and responding to my questions!
Much appreciated!

Daniel
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 24, 2016, 11:59:38 pm
Thanks Daniel:

Your experience was just that, and experience. It's pretty difficult to grasp, but actual T/R is not an experience. It my be better described as a beingness, but that not it because no words actually describe it.

Nothing wrong with having that experience, other than the trap of trying to repeat it. Some folks spend the rest of their live trying to repeat it. Don't get caught in that. To any experience that arises (ANY!) just be grateful, say thank you, and the then ''next''.

I trust that helps a little.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 25, 2016, 12:09:39 am
Thank you very much Jed, you were really helpful.

I'm trying to focus on enlightenment and I am really thankful for the experience.



Thanks for your time!

Daniel

P.S.: I am really thinking into doing a comic about enlightenment, do you mind to read something if I send you an script? It's Ok if you don't have time or you can't do it. But I just had to give it a try hehehe.... Thanks again!!!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 25, 2016, 02:05:25 am
It never hurts to ask, but the reality is I am very busy with the forum and the Nav Series. No can do for you.

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 25, 2016, 10:12:17 am
It's Ok, I understand. Thanks anyway.

When I have it done I'll send you a copy.
 :)


Thanks again!

Daniel
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 25, 2016, 08:01:16 pm
Best wishes to you...

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 30, 2016, 09:25:45 am
Jed, I enjoy your books.

Thanks!


Love ya too.

Daniel
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 31, 2016, 01:38:22 am
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on March 31, 2016, 05:42:25 pm
 :P

Jed, thanks in advance for your responses. I know it takes you time and you really are awesome helping us to get a better understanding.

Today I found a video of Mooji, where he was talking about the seer being perceived. There's a witness who is seeing all that's happening.
I thought the seer was our conciousness, but now that I found that video, where Mooji is saying that the seer can be seen, I think he's right.
So there must be something more that perceives the seer or witness.

As I said, I think he's right, but I would like to know your opinion. He said that the response to that can come only from a revelation, not by reasoning or logic.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on March 31, 2016, 11:30:18 pm
In my experience there is no seer and nothing is ever seen. However, seeing is occurring almost all the time. Subtle, but important distinction.

I agree with Mooji's last statement...that this all can only come from a revelation, not by reasoning or logic.

So, if you think your have figured it out, throw it out. That ain't ''it''.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 01, 2016, 07:00:06 pm
I will continue with strong determination meditation,  mindful meditation and self inquiry, any suggestion Jed?  I feel I am missing something.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 01, 2016, 07:02:01 pm
I feel frustrated,  sad and anxious at the same time.  I feel like I understand what's happening in my head,  but I don't know how to go further. 
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 01, 2016, 07:06:37 pm
On a second thought,  I understand that,  that thing that feels sad is not me. It doesn't really affect me.  But somehow I still call it "me" .  I am still identified with the ego. That makes me more sad,  but I still know my awareness / consciousness  doesn't feel sad.  It's like I'm in the middle of something. In fact,  I'm dazed and confused. 
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 02, 2016, 04:03:01 am
Your welcome... hmmm... I think....

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 02, 2016, 05:59:23 pm
Thanks Jed,  I didn't say thanks. 
😊

I received this email today

"Without the meditative mind and experience, the Dhamma cannot arise in the heart, because the Dhamma is not in words. The Buddha was able to verbalise his inner experience for our benefit, to give us a guideline. That means we can find a direction, but we have to do the travelling ourselves." - Ayyā Khemā
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 02, 2016, 10:28:52 pm
Thanks Jed!!!! I just got why you said "you are welcome".

I understood what Mooji was trying to say, the same thing you are telling me. There's nothing there, no witness, just nothing.


Thanks again! You put the perfect words, I felt that answer like an insight.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 02, 2016, 10:56:07 pm
Cheers...
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 03, 2016, 09:22:11 am
I will send you an email Jed,  I want to know more about the Nav Series.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 03, 2016, 12:25:06 pm
Talk later,

Cheers...
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 03, 2016, 12:26:35 pm
Ok
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 07, 2016, 07:19:10 am
Jed,  I'm just being more and more. I'm happy. Thanks,  I was reading posts of you giving advice to others and you gave me some insights. Thanks.

I'll be writing you about the Nav Series tonight. 

I just wanted to tell u that,  no questions at the moment.

Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 07, 2016, 08:51:22 pm
I think I have a question now Jed. How do you kill the ego without creating a new ego. Maybe better than the other,  but an ego anyway.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 07, 2016, 10:55:54 pm
Don't try to kill it, because, as you point out, that creates more. I suggest you gently, lovingly, and with patience and understanding, love the little b a s t a r d to death.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 07, 2016, 11:14:09 pm
Don't try to kill it, because, as you point out, that creates more. I suggest you gently, lovingly, and with patience and understanding, love the little b a s t a r d to death.

Love ya, Jed.

Thanks!!!! That was awesome, I will do that.
 ;D
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 07, 2016, 11:54:11 pm
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 20, 2016, 09:07:43 pm
I am loving my ego. Ill be back when he leaves me.  Cheers.

U Don't need to answer this Jed.  TX.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on April 20, 2016, 09:11:58 pm
Ok,  MR. Ego was lying. He can't love himself and I don't know who I am so I will just meditate.
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 21, 2016, 02:26:25 am
Sounds like a plan...

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: abrakamowse on May 16, 2016, 01:15:55 pm
I found a video on youtube about the fruits of zen practice, it seems to me that the person who is talking knows about zen (but I am not an expert).

And he says that just sitting in silence, at some point enlightenment will happen.

I am feeling the uselessness of words and thoughts are making me giving up on continue trying to grasp an understanding with my mind, so I thought staying in silence seems a good option for me.

I know there's no fixed technique on this but do you think Jed that's a good option?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Hello, new to the forum
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 17, 2016, 06:21:46 am
O.K., excellent.. now start at the beginning, sit.. I assume you can do that, but can you sit still, very, very still for a few hours at a time... maybe...???

Next, silence your mind while you are sitting very, very still.

Be still and be silent, and know you are God. What could be simpler?

I wish you luck, but I'm not going to bet the farm on you.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Sitting very still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 17, 2016, 09:48:17 am


I wish you luck, but I'm not going to bet the farm on you.

Love ya, Jed.

Me neither, thanks!!!!
 :D
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 17, 2016, 11:50:22 am
 :P :P :P
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 21, 2016, 11:40:03 pm
He is happy...

 :P
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 10:16:05 pm
But he's not sure why... and if he really is... or he's just deluded
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 22, 2016, 10:33:35 pm
He is just deluded... trust me.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 10:59:12 pm
There's no one,  it's empty.  The body is the trap.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 11:05:29 pm
The body is like a transmitter or receptor through which we experience everything. I understand the emptiness but I still can't accept no self. I believe that I accept the idea of no self but is a lie.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 11:06:34 pm
Now I think I'm Conciousness but that's false.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 11:46:26 pm
I'm lost
 >:(
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 22, 2016, 11:54:09 pm
I think I need a break of thinking and trying,  I'm very confused. I just wanna be what is. But no idea how.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 23, 2016, 01:14:54 am
Thinking and trying won't work. You've done those all your life. No wonder you are confused.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 23, 2016, 05:36:15 am
I'm going to just observe my thoughts and meditate. Thanks Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 23, 2016, 05:56:21 am
Sounds great, now go and do it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 23, 2016, 06:17:18 am
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 23, 2016, 08:32:26 am
Jed,  I am on my way to work. And I was just observing my thoughts,  and really I was having not many thoughts. I was just appreciating the moment,  enjoying the now. Suddenly I thought about work,  and what I will have to do today and out of nowhere this thought appears "stop feeding the beast"
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 23, 2016, 09:47:09 am
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 23, 2016, 09:47:50 am
Lol
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 24, 2016, 02:13:21 pm
I know that if I meditate, just meditate at some point enlightenment will happen. But it's like the ego is constantly trying to make "something" or achieve something.

Anyway my thoughts are much more slow, so I am not paying attention to my ego. A lot of feelings inside me, but I am not identified with them anymore, at least for now.


Just a comment, no need to answer Jed.

And thanks for this forum. Really helpful, I hope to do the Nav Series asap.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 25, 2016, 12:12:10 am
No comment. You are doing fine, just stick with it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on May 27, 2016, 06:33:33 am
Jed,  I went to a Zen Meditation Center yesterday. I was impressed.  We did zazen.  Now I bow to everything.  It's like bowing to life,  an attitude. I found this on the Web. 

" Another ancient worthy said,

“This Matter cannot be sought with mind and cannot be attained without mind; it can’t be told with words and it can’t be conveyed with silence.”
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 27, 2016, 08:17:19 am
Yup....

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 09, 2016, 03:41:59 pm
I continue changing all the time Jed. What it was true today it is false tomorrow (to my ego-identity). And there's no today and tomorrow, just now. So, everything is in constant change in the now.


I am beginning to understand about what you told me about loving my ego, and that's what I am beginning to do.

I found a video from Teal Swan about how to listen to your inner voice. (I know she's one of those which said that we are changing the law of attraction, but I am careful with some of the stuff she says.)
I think that video about the inner voice seems Ok.
:-)

Then I was working on loving my ego, trying to understand why it works the way it works and try to integrate it with my true self, that I don't know how it is but I am trying to understand it too.

Finally I was meditating on a question that Mooji says that It Will Kill all other Questions. An Answer that will kill all other questions.

And the question is if that which is observing can also be observed. I am meditating about it and trying to get a response from my higher self, or inner being, or just being.


Let me know if I am doing some mess with self realization.

Thanks and love you back!
:-)





Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 09, 2016, 11:33:04 pm
Dear A;

There are some pretty sophisticated and effective contemplations in the Series, but they take some time to be taught and learned. I see nothing wrong with the direction you are on. Just stick with.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 10, 2016, 05:08:33 am
Thanks Jed!!!
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 11, 2016, 12:20:08 pm
I understand there's no ego and no "we", it's  just I. 

I needed that,  thanks again Jed.

:-)
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 11, 2016, 06:46:13 pm
I am noticing more "synchronicity" in a lot of things.

Just wishful thinking, is it possible that a certain point you can see everything synchronized? Like a clockwork?

:-)
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 11, 2016, 11:46:44 pm
There is no more synchronicity before or after, however your awareness will see more, but it's not to be given any attention. Find out who you are and everything will fall into place.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 11, 2016, 11:51:56 pm
Thanks again Jed.

You keep me in focus.
 ;D
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 12, 2016, 09:35:55 pm
I want self-realization happening by itself.

Who is the "I" who wants something? There's none there. Why the concept is still there?

I need to ignore the thoughts and go further.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 13, 2016, 05:05:55 am
Ok,  that was silly.  Back to sitting still in silence. I feel better now.  😛 "Feeling better" is being perceived.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 13, 2016, 03:49:19 pm
Is it possible that our thoughts at some point, when our personality wants enlightenment could point a little bit to where we have to go?

Or it doesn't make sense?

I am trying just to feel my core being and being the more aware I can, living in the now and trying to forget all dogmas, and unlearn everything I can.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 13, 2016, 04:26:40 pm
I found some of your articles online at Ezine articles, I like how you write.

 ;)
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 13, 2016, 06:20:25 pm
Jed,  I feel changes constantly.  Every second that passes I feel different.  I am having a more sense of the I AM.  Today I saw my personality as a kid. First time I don't associate myself with its tantrums.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 13, 2016, 10:48:30 pm
I haven't written any ezine articles... someone else might have. Perhaps condensation of the books. IDK and IDC (I don't care.)

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 14, 2016, 04:27:45 am
People do crazy stuff.  Ok.

😛
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 15, 2016, 05:51:35 am
Change in perspective,  step back about everything. Do nothing. Keep quiet.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 15, 2016, 07:01:41 am
I am beginning to notice that something observes the thought "I am"
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 15, 2016, 08:02:19 am
I am observing everything as sensations,  and not concepts or labels. Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 15, 2016, 08:20:19 am
Excellent observation, just be with it.

Don't expect anything in particular.

Lovey ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 16, 2016, 06:34:27 am
Ok, Jed.

When I was waking up today,  I had a sensation I never had.

I felt like reality was merging with me.  I can't explain it with words.

I tried to be in that state or feeling,  but thoughts began to analyze and the sensation began to fade.  I see that,  so I let the thoughts go,  and the sensation came back again. 

I had my eyes closed,  and I saw inside my eyelids like brilliant lights of different colors,  and very bright.  Just a comment,  you don't need to answer it. 

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 16, 2016, 11:03:56 am
Thanks, I won't...

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 16, 2016, 05:38:41 pm
😊
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 16, 2016, 05:51:07 pm
Just my ego,  looking for having some "result"
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 17, 2016, 06:58:00 am
Jed,  reading thread of others is helping me a lot to understand myself.  And I really appreciate what you are doing. And I consider you my guru,  I'd you are OK with that.

Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 17, 2016, 06:59:12 am
I am reading Damnedest Thing right now,  at the bus going to work and letting things be the way they are. Trying not to get in the middle of how I suppose it should be.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 17, 2016, 08:36:12 am
We are life itself,  but I'm not sure if the way I'm saying it is correct.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 17, 2016, 08:36:39 am
I'm beginning to grasp the concept.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 18, 2016, 04:30:53 pm
How do we drop the sense of "I" without creating another belief?
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 18, 2016, 05:37:14 pm
I was reading other posts, and I found one where you say to other member to come back after reading the book.

I will do the same.
 ;D
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 19, 2016, 03:35:29 am
Cheers... now further.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 19, 2016, 10:09:15 am
Ok Jed,  I am trying to go further.  After seeing that the thought "I"  can be observed.  Now,  I am noticing that there's thoughts thinking about other thoughts.

I'm arriving to the conclusion that the thoughts that I get more attached to them give me the idea of "me".  But in fact is just thoughts. Like a conversation made up of thoughts.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 19, 2016, 11:21:23 am
Very good  Abra, keep on doing what you are doing and don't stop for anything except a large truck.

Love ya.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 20, 2016, 06:35:39 am
Thanks Jed,  you are really helpful. Your books are amazing.

I just realized that human beings are very simple.  Everything is about thoughts. That's how we fall in love with our wife,  girlfriend,  etc. 

We just begin to think about her,  and we can help but think. And then,  we call that love.

Lol
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 20, 2016, 06:49:30 am
I'm also seeing how selfish I am.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 20, 2016, 09:01:51 am
So do I ...  ;D ;D ;D

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 20, 2016, 09:11:16 am
Lol
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 21, 2016, 11:17:47 pm
Meditating tonight, I began to look for myself and see if I can localize it anywhere and I don't see nothing.

I see just, thoughts, sensations, sounds, and the mind that it try to make sense of it and creates the false ego.


There's nothing there...
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 01:04:43 am
A void?

Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:00:25 am
Yes,  but today in the morning,  the mind went into attack mode. I feel I can't stop thinking.

Now I am observing my mind trying to go crazy.

I still see the illusion.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:02:27 am
I can notice there's sadness now. But I don't feel it's me who feels it. It is there. Somehow.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 06:06:31 am
Who is it?

Cheers...
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:09:57 am
It's just a sensation there,  it's gone now. I feel peace now. But still there's identification.

I'm going to keep more quiet. And silent.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:27:30 am
There's moments I feel identification,  but I feel like a breakthrough.  I need to keep going further.

Thanks Jed!!!
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:29:12 am
The mind is like trying to appropriate the feeling,  but somehow I can see it from "outside".  Like not feeling so involved.

Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:30:04 am
That was the mind. It's not me. I'll be quiet.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:33:25 am
Did you read "the art of being"  by Erich Fromm?
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 07:29:05 am
Why do you ask???

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 07:33:49 am
I have an application for reading digital books and audio books with my library card. I was looking for an audio book of mindfulness and this book appeared in my recommendations.  The title attracts me,  The Art of Being. And it's talking about how virtues are tried to be acquired.  I think that's what I need to drop next. My idea of "helping others"  or convincing them enlightenment is good.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 07:34:54 am
Spiritual enlightenment can be something more to have,  like a mundane possession.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 07:36:31 am
Like having a house,  a car or a beautiful girl.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 09:13:01 am
If that's what you want, but it has nothing to do with genuine T/R.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 09:17:56 am
Maybe I have the wrong idea of enlightenment.  Everybody says that once it happens "you will know"
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 09:27:32 am
You will know... trust me.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 09:27:54 am
Ok Jed
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 06:03:26 pm
So,  I think I understood at an intellectual level about No-self.  I'm stuck.

Wait,  that's a thought. Ok. I'll continue being quiet.

I have to forget everything I know.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 07:31:03 pm
Forget everything you THINK you know.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 07:33:42 pm
Thanks Jed,  there's no one who knows. Not knower or perceiver.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 07:59:02 pm
Bingo... yet, there is knowing and perceiving. There just is no you doing it. That's the key, you ain't required for it to happen.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 09:20:49 pm
Bingo... yet, there is knowing and perceiving. There just is no you doing it. That's the key, you ain't required for it to happen.

Love ya, Jed.

My mind is playing the game of "the seeker"... Being quiet and not getting identified with thoughts can be the key to make it happen by itself?
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 10:05:23 pm
If I see Jesus, I'll kill him

 ;D
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 22, 2016, 10:17:39 pm
Just find  a humane way.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 22, 2016, 10:18:00 pm
😊
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 23, 2016, 06:02:49 am
Does this make sense?  "We are a manifestation of what is not."
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 23, 2016, 06:08:29 am
Sense or not doesn't matter. What is YOUR experience.

Don't look out, look in. Looking at thoughts is looking out.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 23, 2016, 06:25:06 am
You are right Jed
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 23, 2016, 07:27:33 am
There's frustration,  because I can't see what is. Even when I know there's no self.

The frustration doesn’t affect "me",  there's a separation but I can notice it.

But I'm still blind to reality.  That frustration is not letting me see,  my experience tells me there's no I. 
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 23, 2016, 07:29:04 am
I'm not sure if the problem is "frustration".  I'm looking inside me,  but I can't find nothing. Anyway I can't see reality as is.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 23, 2016, 07:45:15 am
Just dwell in that nothingness.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on June 23, 2016, 07:46:16 am
Cool Jed,  thanks. I'll do that. Love you back. 😊
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 07, 2016, 08:47:16 pm
Question,  I don't feel I am the experience neither the experiencer.


Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 07, 2016, 09:02:51 pm
There's just experience,  but I'm none of that.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 07, 2016, 09:03:41 pm
But I don't feel also that I AM THAT
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 07, 2016, 09:04:55 pm
I know I don't exist,  but the I AM is not the phenomena that makes the body work.  What's the I AM?
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 07, 2016, 09:09:44 pm
Note: I didn't have idea what I was going to ask,  the question appeared as I was typing.  😛
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 13, 2016, 09:48:15 pm
I was crazy. Forget it.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 14, 2016, 05:13:19 am
Consider it forgotten.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 14, 2016, 05:17:02 am
I thought I was asking something "deep" that even "me"  couldn't understand.  Crazy how the ego works.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 14, 2016, 05:29:52 am
 ;) ;) ;) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 14, 2016, 08:27:35 am
Lol!!!
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on July 15, 2016, 10:52:31 pm
I've seen there's no one there. I've seen it. I can't believe it, but because there's no one to believe it.

Thanks Jed!!! You were key to help me see, not just believe, I saw it. Or better said, no one saw it. There was seeing.


That's so great, and a relief... thanks!
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 16, 2016, 01:26:01 am
Great.. you did it, not me.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on February 10, 2017, 10:13:20 pm
Great.. you did it, not me.

Love ya, Jed.

Jed, I am back.

Still working after that initial seeing. What I saw was that I am really doing nothing, I noticed how is not me who moves my hands, do the thinking, move my legs to walk, I am not the one who talks, really who I think I am know nothing. That can't be "unseen".

I am having glimpses of my true self, I am learning more to understand what comes from that higher self and what comes from the non-existent ego self. But I still didn't see the void.


Some friends on the path told me that 5meo can shock our ego, and that shock can help for awakening to happen, what do you think about that? For the first time I am thinking in trying something like that, but I am not sure.

Blessings!
Mowse


Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 10, 2017, 11:38:30 pm
Drugs cause more problems than they cure... the only problem you have is you still think there is a you. Do the work, not the drugs.

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on February 11, 2017, 09:40:46 pm
Thanks Jed. You are right.

I am listening to an audio book of Ramana Maharshi, "Who am I".

I will keep doing self inquiry.


Blessings!
moWse

Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on February 13, 2017, 12:57:00 pm
How can we contemplate the sense of "I am" and not some thoughts about it?

Thanks Jed,
moWse
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 14, 2017, 07:33:47 am
Focus on the feeling/sense of I am, doing best to avoid thoughts.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Sitting still
Post by: abrakamowse on February 14, 2017, 01:36:55 pm
Thanks Jed, I will work on that.

 ;D

Blessings,
moWse
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 16, 2017, 07:16:31 am
I'm watching Rays of the absolute. The documentary about Nisargadatta Maharaj. Very enlightening. He says the state of being was created when we were born. There's more after beingness ?

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Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 16, 2017, 08:18:32 am
Go find out for yourself.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. My bad... stay with your self and find out for yourself.
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 16, 2017, 09:30:57 am
I know Jed...

anxiety is just a thought.

 :P

No more question...

(for now)
 ;D
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 17, 2017, 09:54:19 am
Ok... I began to do what you just tell me Jed. Contemplating the I thought and I discovered something that I heard about... but I didn't quite understood before.

I am aware, that I am aware.

That's awareness aware of itself. And it is there, so simple... I will stay in that "space" all the time.

thanks!
:-)
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 17, 2017, 01:34:51 pm
Yes, very simple and almost startling when realized. How can your be aware that you are aware? Make up a story, anyone will do.

Have a look for yourself. Are you aware that you are aware?

Love ya, Jed. 
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 17, 2017, 02:16:02 pm
I realized Jed, that I don't know anything.

The only thing for sure is that I AM... that I exist. But I can't say anything else about whatever happens around me. Or whatever is perceived.

The story about how I am aware that I am aware is simple. I was watching on youtube a guy that is also a follower of Nissagardatta and I liked the way he explain things.
He recorded a chat with some people in a kind of "satsang" and the person asked about how could he be aware of awareness.

He asked the guy to watch him and tell him if he was aware that they were chatting. The guy said Yes, I am aware.

Then he said "Are you aware that you are aware?" And the guy said yes.

Then he said that this knowledge is always there at our disposition.


So when I was going to work I began to observe my surroundings, so I was being aware. Just a mindfulness practice, trying to be focus on everything that it was happening in my experience.

And then noticing that something is aware that  awareness is happening. I don't know how to explain but I will try. This is what I think.


I still feel identified with my ego. So when I am aware, that is a thought. I can't really know if I am aware. But there's something in the background that is not a thought, I would call it a presence (as Eckhart Tolle calls it). Is like something that knows that awareness is happening, but is silent. No thoughts just a perception.

There's no thoughts in that space, but the ego comes and goes and my little I am feels like it's learning to walk. It's a learning of a new way of "seeing" with awareness.

Am I doing it right Jed?

 :P













Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 17, 2017, 02:55:53 pm
I was thinking more about your question and when I said  "So when I am aware, that is a thought."

I think it's not a thought, it's like someone/something is aware and at the same time awareness sees that someone/something is being aware.

Hard to explain with words, right?

Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on February 18, 2017, 07:37:35 am
I found an exercise on the web, based on Ramana and Nissagardatta teachings.

And it says:

"Try an experiment:

Just look at an object in the room.
Notice the awareness that is looking through your eyes.
Now shut your eyes and notice that you are still aware.
It is the same awareness that was a moment ago looking at the room.
Now, with your eyes still closed, observe your awareness."

There's awareness of the object... and awareness of the fact that something is aware of that object.

I know there's no I who watch the object, but for now it's what I will do. Is that what Niss and Ram talk about Jed?



Thanks!

Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on May 14, 2017, 10:18:06 pm
Hi Jed,

I feel much more peaceful and more accepting of things as they are. I am becoming more aware of a lot of traps I had. Like common thoughts that I never questioned before, now I am seeing patterns that are creating the idea of a "me" or a separated "self" who suffers.

I am still doing the things I normally do, I didn't quit my job or anything crazy but I am seeing more and more the stories we play in life and how everyone believes in them and get involved as if they were real. It's amazing.

But I know now that there's much more work "to do". I am trying the whole day to be aware of everything without paying attention to my thoughts or my ego judging and labeling everything.

At this moment I realize that there's like a feeling or thought trying to ask you if I am doing it right. And immediately there's another thought saying that everything is perfect the way it is and there's nothing to ask Jed about how things are unfolding.

Not sure if that is good or bad hehehe...

Thanks Jed for this forum!

Love ya!
:-)

Mowse
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on May 16, 2017, 05:33:22 am
 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on June 08, 2017, 11:25:00 am
Hi Jed, I am back.

I like the read the post of others and what you say to them, it helps me a lot. Thanks for that.


I really don't fell I got anything to ask, because everything it is said or thought is not the real thing. Maybe it can help, but right now I am just trying to leave logic to one side.
The mind is always trying to look for explanations, making logic from disconnected stuff... it doesn't know anything.

I am meditating, reading a book that it is said Ramana recommended reading "The Lamp of Non Dual Knowledge, and it's really good.
I also have the bhagavad gita to read after that.


I am not looking for logic anymore, I am just waiting without any expectation, but my ego is like excited thinking "I want to become enlightened"... stupid ego, he can't get enlightened. Because there's no "I" to be enlightened.

And enlightenment is not something he can get. But, I let it have fun while I observe how he plays.

Thanks again Jed!

Now I want to go further!!!!
:-)


Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 09, 2017, 03:19:51 am
Pretend you are in a butterfly farm. You want the butterflies to land on you, what do you do?

Tell me.... in 50 words or less.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on June 09, 2017, 07:31:11 am
Just stay in the middle of the farm (or where there are more butterflies) and stay completely quiet.
 :)
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 10, 2017, 12:55:19 am
So, stay in the middle of this apparent world and remain completely still.... mentally that is.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on June 10, 2017, 07:39:44 am
Thanks Jed, I will work on that.
😊

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Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 10, 2017, 08:35:20 am
Let me know how it goes.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on June 10, 2017, 09:03:07 am
I will Jed, thanks again.
😊

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Title: Re: Contemplating the sense of "I am"
Post by: abrakamowse on December 16, 2017, 12:07:12 pm
Let me know how it goes.

Love ya, Jed.

Ok Jed, I was trying to stay totally quiet in the middle of the farm and it's crazy difficult. But I am still trying. The first time I could not do it. My mind was wandering, I got anxious of being so quiet. I feel like I went backwards, because some time ago I used to do zazen two hours straight, and now I couldn't be sitting 15 minutes. Not good... I need to work on that.

I remember once when I told you that I could see that we are not the doers. I felt that I was walking without walking, etc...
So I told you that "I" saw "that".

And you asked me "what did you see? the void?" (or something like that).
And I really didn't see a void, or the world falling down into pieces as you  say in your book.


I realized that all those experiences happen in awareness, and if "I" am looking for an experience to know that  there's enlightenment, that's  a trap.
I know that I am enlightened but without any experience, because enlightenment doesn't happen to "me".


I am not looking for any experience at the moment, but I will continue meditating. I just wanted to share it with you because I like the way you "teach" what is not "teachable"...

And like UG krishnamurti said, I know I am just a dog barking.
:-)

Thanks Jed for your patiente reading all our "stories".







Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 17, 2017, 12:18:00 am
Thank you for sharing. I read you every word.

Best wishes on your journey.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on December 18, 2017, 02:46:10 pm
Thanks again!

 ;)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 19, 2017, 12:31:36 am
Smiles all around... :o :o :o

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 10, 2018, 11:23:58 am
Jed...

I still have questions.

I realized that there's not a me who looks for enlightenment, I tried to stop wishing enlightenment to become enlightened. But I am still wishing not to wish Lol...

Buddha explained that very clearly when he said desires are the root of all the human "problem". So, if "I" stop having desires "I" will find my true self.
But how do you stop desiring not to desire?


I am back to meditating, I really am in a point where I don't know anything. I just do whatever I feel it's correct.


I think what you suggested about stopping all thoughts can help "me".

I am also practicing concentration on my breath, focusing only in my breath with no thoughts and sometimes with zazen.

I consider zazen being sitting in meditation, doing nothing just being aware and seeing what arises without reaction of my part.


Thanks!
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 13, 2018, 04:41:37 am
Excellent question: But how do you stop desiring not to desire?

Simple answer: You are pretending everything else, why not pretend to stop desiring without desiring to stop. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 13, 2018, 03:37:47 pm
Excellent question: But how do you stop desiring not to desire?

Simple answer: You are pretending everything else, why not pretend to stop desiring without desiring to stop. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Love ya, Jed.

Nice... hehehehe.... I will continue doing the work.

:-)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 15, 2018, 04:43:15 am
Excellent.....
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on April 09, 2018, 09:31:11 pm
Awareness IS

and thoughts appear and create reality... it's all ideas.

I think I was born, but there's not real experience of that. It's a thought.

Working on self inquiry.

I need to go deeper making my mind still. And not trying to get or gain anything at all...

I have to lose my life, lose everything, lose the world created by the stories in my head.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on April 11, 2018, 02:17:42 am
Excellent...now go do it.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on April 11, 2018, 04:56:05 am
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/58606836/lets-do-it.jpg)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on June 29, 2018, 05:45:34 pm
Why do we want to be accepted by others, loved, cared, etc. If there's really not "others"?

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on June 29, 2018, 07:33:54 pm
Ok. I think I know now. I was reading your Rants Jed, and that's Maya.

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on June 29, 2018, 07:39:56 pm
Ok, I have my question now. We are supposed to be the observers, just being aware can make T/R arise. The "Iamness" never disappears. It has become not focused on this body, this mind, this little idea of a self. Right?

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on June 30, 2018, 05:42:15 am
Nis explained the I am quite lucidly, but you really have to know how to interpret what he is saying.

His approach, which is quite effective IMHO,  is to continuously contemplate the I am, that sense that you are. NOW, listen closely because here is the trick. That one thing that everybody thinks is the end-all and be-all, the only thing you can know... is that you are, or, I am. It is obviously foundational.. and all a lie. You aren't.  ::) ::) ::) To think you are was a necessary rule of the human dream game.  :P :P :P YOU are not anything at all.

Now, go back and track your sense of I am to its beginning and prove me wrong.... I double-dog-dare ya.

Cheers and happy hunting.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 01, 2018, 09:10:00 am
I can not prove you're wrong, Lol ...

Ok, this is something I was contemplating. (It's even fun to say that because there is no "I" to contemplate). But, to continue with the "game", some time ago I was in a facebook group (they threw me out of it) where the administrator always said that I am awareness, and that that was fundamental or basic, the only thing I know.

But they did not dare to go further. They said that there always had to be an experience, there had to be a me that was aware of that, otherwise how will I know?.
Saying anything beyond that was religious hogwash, it was a belief, bla bla bla...

Then I told them that they were doing awareness dependant on experience.
If there was no experience there was no awareness ... that was ridiculous. So they told me that everything was really concepts. In reality experience and awareness were concepts and that everything was one. I told them that with that criterion, a tree is awareness, a chair is also awareness ... (which is true too) hehehe ... so they got angry when I said that, because I was not seeing "their point". Everything is the same, so we are experience. Lol...

Sorry for the long story, but I wanted to explain how I was arriving to the conclusion that you just said, that we are really nothing, and now you are confirming that I was not so crazy.

In deep sleep, I know I AM but because there's no experience of anything, no time, no nothing, there's nothing for the "I" to remember, there's just a knowing... that nothing is there.

It can not be explained in words, because it transcends concepts and "nothing" is also a concept. So, thanks JED, it's like I take a weight off my shoulders.

We are nothing, cool ... that's a paradox, right?

Thanks Jed.

P.S.: Sorry again if I did a long post.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 01, 2018, 10:57:56 am
Excellent work, no avoid all that F/B crap.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 01, 2018, 11:29:04 am
Excellent work, no avoid all that F/B crap.

Love ya, Jed.
Thanks Jed. I will avoid FB as if it is the devil. Lol.

Another thing that you helped me to notice is when you said that Nis said that we have to abide in the I AM. And then we will know that even that is false.

 Now finally I understand more deeply what Jesus meant when he said "I am the way".

The I AM takes you there, but that's only the way to reach the absolute which is beyond everything.


Love you too,

Daniel

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 02, 2018, 12:34:02 am
Excellent...

 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 02, 2018, 11:14:53 am
Omg...

the truth it is so deep hiding in Jesus messages.

He said... "and you will know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32


He said you will know... he didn't say "you will believe in the truth"

It is a knowing that make us "see" the truth... contrary to what the Church says that you have to "believe"...



Layers and layers of what we are not have to be teared down to finally know the truth.
 :)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 03, 2018, 02:05:44 am
Belief, faith, all that good stuff ... is only an affirmation that you don't KNOW. Someone that knows doesn't require belief or faith or even hope. They just know. Anyone seeking to reinforce their beliefs by bringing in new believers is like a blind man trying to guide another blind man across a busy freeway. Sometimes reality bites.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 03, 2018, 05:16:16 am
True Jed.

The I AM is the way. Until you lose your life, so you can have true life.
:-)

But, there's not a person in that new life.


Thanks Jed!!!

Love you back

Dan

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 03, 2018, 08:19:49 am
Cheers mate....
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 03, 2018, 08:40:08 am
Cheers mate....


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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 10, 2018, 09:35:22 pm
Jed,

I was doing (not really doing, but you know right? :-) I was contemplating where the feeling of "being-ness" comes from. So, I began to focus on the I am. Where is it the idea that I AM or that something exists.

And when I do that, I notice like I disappear. In the sense that there's no I thought. And I feel like the sense of being is all around everything. Not focused on my body, or in a point or place.
It made me recall when Nisargadatta said that the I AM pervades everything.

But the I AM is not the truth, or at least not the whole truth. You were saying that the I AM is the way. So, I am the way, as Jesus said.
The idea of I AM creates the illusion, but beyond the I AM is the absolute.


When you realize that is when you are enlightened? Because sometimes they say that knowing "who you are" is enlightenment, but if the I AM or that which makes you "be" or points to what "you really are" is really only part of what is (The absolute) What is there to know or be conscious of? If the Absolute transcends even the I AM or consciousness. Even awareness?

What really is, isn't. Or si both at the same time.

One silly thing that I wanted to tell you is that since I began to contemplate more and trust more in that sense of I AM or awareness I remember my passwords (not all of them but more than what I used to).

When I am going to sign in on a website (I design websites so I have lots of passwords to remember) without thinking the passwords appears in my mind. And normally I doubt if that's really the password (because I don't really remember or I am not sure) but I trust in that and I write it anyway.. and voila! It works...

Weird. I don't know if just my mind playing games with me. (Even knowing I don't exist).
:-)




Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 12, 2018, 03:36:17 am
Stick with it, you are on a good track.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on July 12, 2018, 09:13:37 pm
Stick with it, you are on a good track.

Love ya, Jed.

Thank you Jed!

Love ya!
:-)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on July 13, 2018, 12:26:35 am
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on September 05, 2018, 06:58:26 pm
Life is hitting me hard, but every time I think about problems I think "who is the one that is having problems?"

Right now, I'm not sure about anything and I'm exploring the world as if I were a kid.

Maybe that's the famous born again thing.

I don't know. Lol

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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on September 05, 2018, 10:32:15 pm
No one is having anything, however, some flimsy appears seem to insist that it know what is a problem and what isn't.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on September 07, 2018, 09:04:41 am
No one is having anything, however, some flimsy appears seem to insist that it know what is a problem and what isn't.

Love ya, Jed.

The guy who complicates everything, lol... he is unreal and the problems he says he knows are unreal too...

crazy, right?
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on September 08, 2018, 12:23:03 am
Darn that flimsy guy....

Cheers.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: guest1072 on September 16, 2018, 04:30:42 pm
Hi Deborah:

Thank you for your suggestion, however there are some simple forum rules. I ask that you start your own thread and keep you focus on your experiences, yours only. No posting on another members posts and not suggest of the kind you made. Granted, it might be valuable, but if I don't maintain some control the forum will devolve and eventually start looking like (heaven forbid) Facebook. I trust you understand and thanks for you post, even though I removed it, I know you had good intentions.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on December 29, 2018, 10:25:22 pm
Jed...

Weird things are happening. I am loosing my judgments on everything and my emotions are like non existent. It doesn't mean that I don't feel anything. I wanted to say I am not attached to feelings, but that sounds like the ego trying to be "spiritual"....

I doubt about everything, but I don't know what is right or wrong. I am talking about right or wrong to see the ultimate reality, not about doing harm or being hateful or stuff like that.

I don't know what to do, so I am doing nothing really. Only I continue watching my character do whatever he does. Going to work, doing my habitual stuff, drawing comics, etc...

Also I noticed changes of mood, like a not so strong "dark night of the soul" in the sense that there are days I fell super depressed, but I still see it from the pov of the witness, so it really doesn't affect me much. But I notice the sadness or depressed state. Then the next day is gone, I feel "normal' again.

Any advice?

Thanks! Love!
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on December 30, 2018, 02:50:57 am
Sheesh, you always complicating things. What am I going to do with you.... oh, yeh, there is not you. So all is well.

love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on December 30, 2018, 09:15:20 am


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Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on January 11, 2019, 07:55:09 pm
I am not awareness.

I am the absolute.

Awareness happens in the absolute. It's dependent on the absolute. So, it can not be the ultimate truth, and I am the ultimate truth.

:-)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on January 11, 2019, 10:53:20 pm
Correctomundo (as the Fonz would say). Awareness is like a marker along the trail to Truth.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on January 12, 2019, 09:25:34 pm
Thanks Jed.

 :)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on January 12, 2019, 11:40:00 pm
Cheers...now further...

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 09, 2019, 06:16:44 pm
Nis said "The Supreme gives existence to the mind. The mind gives existence to the body"

Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 10, 2019, 04:42:56 pm
Really there's not "I". But everything seems to continue as before. The only difference is there's not so much pain or suffering.
Unless mind becomes confused again thinking that is this character that is hitting the keyboard and sending posts to this forum.

I am you... and you are me.

And we are everything. And nothing at the same time...
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 15, 2019, 11:11:28 pm
Yup.... welcome home.

Love ya, Jed.
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 22, 2019, 10:17:43 am
Thanks Jed!

Love you back!

 :)
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 12, 2020, 09:55:25 am
Jed, how are you doing.


I wanted to mention something, it's been a long time since my last post. I realized that I had or was very close to an "ego death" but I didn't know it until now. I though it was a panic attack or a bad nightmare but now I realize I was in the door of my own death as a person.
The only problem was that I was so scared (because I didn't know anything about that the moment it happened to me, I wasn't ready) that I jumped from my bed yelling like crazy, as if I was going nuts. Because I was losing all my identity.

Now I feel prepared but it's not happening and the only thing happening now is confusion, sadness, then happiness come back and then sadness, anger... all types of emotions. I don't pay attention to them. I just let them do their thing.

I also feel like disconnected from the world, from the consumerism, from TV programs, anything is interesting anymore to me, only to become awakened. Sometimes  the ego wants to cry, but I feel he is just acting.
Trying to make me feel like "I want to cry" but there's no I. The though program or software want's to cry to continue creating the idea of a me.

I feel stronger now, but not sure what to do next. I want just to go a solitary place and sit in silence all the time.

I just wanted to share this with you, peace.



Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 12, 2020, 08:48:30 pm
Perhaps the 'bad nightmare' is that you think you are human...

Love ya, Jed
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: abrakamowse on February 13, 2020, 01:21:52 pm
Perhaps the 'bad nightmare' is that you think you are human...

Love ya, Jed

Something is changing, lately I just want to be in silence. And I feel more focused, I need to let that nightmare go...

 :P
Title: Re: I am That
Post by: Jed McKenna on February 14, 2020, 04:54:05 am
Perhaps it is simple than that, you need to realize there never was a nightmare and never was a you who could hold on to anything.

Love ya, Jed.