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Jed McKenna

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Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« on: June 20, 2017, 08:39:11 am »
It's one thingy when in it's genuine form/experience, but goes by a number of names; enlightenment, your True Nature, Self-realization, etc. Don't ask me why.

It also has a variety of myths attached to it, some are close to the bull's eye but many are not. Let's have a look at a few:

Myth 1: T/R will make you happy.

Happy is a state, an emotion usually caused by a pleasant conversation in your head. Happiness comes and goes and has nothing to do with T/R. If you reach T/R you may be happy or you may be sad, you may experience pain and you may experience pleasure, but, as Nis said, and is my experiences as well, they will lack their sting. If you look closely at happiness and pleasure you will find their is a strange little sting to them because they come straight out of Maya/ego. T/R has an indescribably quiet joyful ordinariness to it.

Myth 2: T/R will make you rich and money will just flow into your world.

Sorry to disappoint you. The two whom I often refer to, Nis and Ram, had next to nothing in terms of money, but in another sense they were wealthy beyond imagination. They had the universe. A truly enlightened person (impossible of course) understands wealth in a very different way than a business tycoon. Having said that, one may be a sage and tycoon at the same time... very rarely.

Myth 3: You can get enlightened.

Nope, the person never achieves T/R, it's the ''person-hood'' that must be sacrificed by seeing through it for T/R to be realized. Something few are ready to give up on. Maya/ego has a tight hold on humans.

Myth 4: You must do something to achieve T/R

You must do nothing to realize what you are in this very moment. However, there are numerous Maya/ego barriers which very effectively hide that realization. Letting go of... seeing through these barriers is certainly something that is helpful, but it is in the vein of dissolution and not accumulation. In that dissolution one can make themselves more prone to the divine accident.

Myth 5: T/R folks have a certain look, certain behaviors and can thus be discerned.

The reality is you may have met, passed by, or even lived with someone who is fully T/R and not realized it. Sounds a little strange but how would you apply criteria and judge such a thing if you haven't realized it yourself. Sometimes T/R makes for big changes in a life and other times the outer appearances don't change much at all. I have observed this variation in Series students. What it might mean in your life, should you realize it, is dependent upon many variables.... and it's not up to you.

Conclusion: The ordinariness is something that you seldom read about, and T/R is remarkably ordinary... but I don't think you really want T/R. You want H/A. I'll rant about that next.

Love ya, Jed.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2017, 10:44:00 am by Jed McKenna »

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Re: Jed Rand: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2017, 09:45:55 am »
In all this I feel the need to write, to be clear and honest, might as well be here.
I can see how much I think this is going to do "for me." It's so obvious in this moment, it's been sinking in for a bit now, I see that in hindsight, but I can see how ego, has attached a lot to awakening, "what am I going to get out of this?" It's become immensely clear...... my money problems will be solved, life will just work our perfectly for me, everything will go my way, whatever that means, I know I'm being redundant, but it seems so obvious now. Like this was being held back in the shadows..... in the depths of my mind, and yet I can see how much it permeated, no matter how "good," our intentions ego can always slip in.
     Yet, this recognition, that I've been holding out, saying I know enlightenment will get me nowhere and nothing, but really in the whispers of my mind saying, but yah... I mean that's fine, but it'll solve all my problems right?....... This recognition is huge. It feels big, it's a another step, towards removal of the false. I can't even say what in particular triggered this, it just did. I don't know..... Thank you

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Re: Jed Rand: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2017, 09:56:20 am »
Truth is, there aren't any problems! No such thing exists, so if there is nothing to be solved, how could anything fix anything? If anything the more I wake up, the more I see "I," am the problem, I'm the one who thinks things need changing or saving, so what needs to go "Me," or all the other stuff, it would appear to be me.


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Re: Jed Rand: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2017, 10:08:44 am »
Good work there Ian.

Cheers.

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Re: Jed Rand: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2017, 10:12:04 am »
Yes, Jed, I agree. But the thing is, anyone who's looking for enlightenment (or what you wanna call it) is not going to believe what you just ranted. That seeker is still going to believe you are probably wrong and he will gain something when enlightened. He won't know and see there's nothing to get and everything to lose until he gets there (not really gets there, cos who could go somewhere, but you know what I mean)

Apparently even The Buddha said that enlightenment gave and brought him absolutely nothing, but do the Buddhists believe him? Nope.

Anyway, good rant, true-ish the least. :) :D ;D

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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2017, 11:31:28 am »
And you will loose the urge to masturbate.. how can that be of any good..?? no one told me this.. gdamnit!!
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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2017, 02:02:58 pm »
so basically if were chasing any type of wealth of success, best stop kidding yourself in this search.

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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 03:55:49 pm »
I obviously believe that there is something to be gotten from the "attainment" of enlightenment. Otherwise, I wouldn't be after it for such a long time. Why would I? The first books I read on this subject were Jed's. So obviously, in theory, I'd always parrot the 'I shall attain nothing in the end' thingy. But I'd not actually think that to be true in the back of my head. There is some mysterious object or attraction in the concept of enlightenment itself.

Anyway, that's not the point.

  • Funny someone mentioned mastrbtion. I observe that when I jack-off, I kind of do it compulsively, just need to finish this stuff. I don't really like doing it. But I got to finish it. There is no sexual urge after that. In a way, I'm done. :P
  • When I'd play video games, mostly first person shooters, I'd play day and night, compulsively. Wouldn't stop for much food, would ignore all school or college work, shun all responsibility and concentrate on the game. I wanted to complete the missions. The only thing that can stop this madness is a game over.

Nisargadatta said that the search for truth is always going on, like it or not. He suggested that we have no choice in this regard, that the search will continue, whether we are conscious of it or not. Makes sense to me, that I need to reach a game over. Then I can live my life, minus this search. I imagine that would be comfortable.

That's the reason I'm doing this. I can't think of anything better to do. :D
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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 07:37:51 pm »
myth no. 3 may be the biggest obstacle. Letting go of all attachment or whatever can be done by it, but it cannot commit suicide, as some suggest. To me it is more like setting itself up for euthanasia, with a contented knowing that it will happen.

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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 09:17:25 pm »
All death is suicide... and it is of no consequence at all.

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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2017, 01:23:32 am »
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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 02:46:03 am »
What person chooses, where... I don't see any ''person''. Have I missed something?

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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 07:07:58 am »
I don't know the answer, Jed.
I thought I knew.
But in fact - no.
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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 03:40:49 pm »
Many sages, or people like Nissagatts, often refer to this projection, the thing percieved, inclusive of the view there is a perciever and perception itself, we'll the dream word often gets banded around. I suppose one could  view that as the constant chatter, but I feel to know beyond doubt that what is, is indeed a dream, and I felt that the dream reveals itself to the dream/dreamer, and in such a way, knowledge is blown to bits. I have wondered if that clarity of what Ivd stated is a major factor of TR. Of course, I may be confused, but it doesn't feel that way. There are things in this context Id sort of like to say, but I don't seem good about doing so. For clarity  sake, there are things that could be said, but this is scary enough, let alone Winston  banging on about something that could be viewed as pshycotic, but not, imo
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Re: Jed Rant: Myths of Truth Realization
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2017, 12:12:39 am »
Regarding your question, yes, tis a factor and also a hindrance. You tell me why.

Love ya, Jed.