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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2017, 11:34:06 am »
"The two whom I often refer to, Nis and Ram, had next to nothing in terms of money,"...
I would be curious who is Nis and Ram, where do you know them from (or know about them from), are they alive, who are they, do they write, everything which is interesting and available. They sound symphathetic to me :) thank you

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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2017, 01:01:43 am »
Both are dead.

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2017, 01:16:50 am »
Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi.. I suggest you Google them and do some research, excellent books are available.

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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2017, 06:13:42 am »
Thank you Jed. I am very familiar with both of them. I was just not familiar with the shortcuts of the names you are using. I have met Ramana book at the age of 16 in the bookshop, and from that time did lot of his and Nis reading, and repeititvely visited his ashrams, as well Bombay, the people who were close to Nisargadata etc. It might sound absurd that than I am complaining and bitching about the false shamans, who in the name of the Love deceive and exploit people. I was simply always used on another level, which is somewhat prevalent between those who take Ramana and Ni. teaching seriously. As well, I was just now hositng a workshop of one my friend who is direct disciple of Balsekar, was asked by Balsekar to do this,  and he has told me this beautifull, nice, small, ordinary story about Nisargadatta. Allow me please to share it, even though it is very unimportant and ordinary. There was this disciple who visited Maharaj flat in Mombay. Maharaj was living in very pooor neighbourhood and in that time had children and wife and his business was not in its peak. Nisargadatta allowed to this person visit his satsangs, he saw earnesnest in this man. After few visits, he gave him piece of cloths, which he let tailor to make for him. ITs beautifull because Nisargadatta himself had not much money at that time himself. This contrast and those kind of morals makes it than very shocking, if someone in the name of love exploits people, as is the fashion between Gabonese and other shamans who target naive and guilible westerners. And another story from other friend from Mombay was that when there was this poor student coming to see Ni., Nis. paid for his schooling. But was in different period of his "business" life. Both of thosee stories I do have from people I do somewhat trust. Sorry it is little too unspecial to share this but memory on those stories made me smile in the contrast of the hell I saw in another circles. Thank you :)

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2017, 10:48:02 am »
Fiction is fiction, yes its nuclear, till it'd simply how it is. Not the goal?


I probably should of stayed with NOTHING EXISTS, in a cryptic way


I keep on deleting. I feel awkward stating these things.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2017, 08:50:54 pm »
Hi Nor:

Thanks for sharing. I hallucinate that I understand your words, but hey, I hallucinated a whole universe into existence.. not a big deal.

Yes, nothing is real, nothing is important, everything has already happened and nothing has every happened. There is nothing more that one need do than get that at a cellular level, but I admit that it's much easiest said than done.

Talk later,

Love ya, Jed




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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 04:30:32 pm »
Regarding your question, yes, tis a factor and also a hindrance. You tell me why.

Love ya, Jed.

How do you stay with yourself and on the ground if everything around you seems to be the realisation of what you are?

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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 09:50:04 pm »
I'm not with my ''self'' and I am not limited to being on the ground... how could I be? Doe's not compute.

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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 01:05:58 am »
You are crazy. But its an exact confirmation of what i said.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 09:04:24 pm »
Where does such nonsense come from, probably where everything does, but I don't know, and Im starting to like not knowing, or so I believe I know. How can one not condrasend(contradict) ones blab, let alone spelling it. Thanks for the rant btw Jed, You appear to of been  riding the bike for some time, and Id imagine, fewer words, more clear, is part of growing up, Less is more sort of deal.

Edited due to not wearing my reading glasses etc
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2017, 10:08:19 pm »
 :P :P :P :-*

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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2017, 06:13:44 am »
Dear Jed,
Now that you are debunking the myths of TR, I think it is a proper place to ask about something which has caught my interest for a long time. that is  TR induced Physical Transformation.
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Describing his post-calamity life, he claimed to be functioning permanently in what he called "the natural state": A state of spontaneous, purely physical, sensory existence, characterised by discontinuity though not absence of thought. Krishnamurti also maintained that upon finding himself in the "natural state", he had lost all acquired knowledge and memories, and had to re-learn everything, as if "...the slate had been wiped clean".
This is taken from the Wikipedia page about U.G. Krishnamurti.

I've observed you also saying many times that there aren't many thoughts arising in you these days. Now my question is that whether this Transformation from "ceaseless thoughts" to "discontinuity of thoughts" (that means living in the blissful state of no thought most of the time) is a natural side effect of TR or HA, or is it some rare phenomena that only happens to some people regardless of TR ?

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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2017, 12:09:25 am »
In my experience it's a side effect of T/R and not to be seen as a goal because any goal will get in the way of T/R, even the goal of T/R.

Hey, don't blame me, I didn't create this game, I only reveal and point... at least, I try....

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. That's a lie, I did create this game and that's why I have a knack for understanding the incomprehensible. There, I said it.  :o :o :o :o :o

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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2017, 10:01:44 am »
In my experience it was probably the myths more than anything else that "prevented" T/R. Well, for that matter, the state of non-T/R is really just layers of myths covering the T/R that is always there, eh? Anyway, though previously "duped" by all these myths (save for perhaps myth 2), it was probably myth 1 that was the most deeply ingrained in my psyche. I always imagined some final state of supreme, uninterrupted happiness as the "goal" of all "spiritual" pursuits (and so on). Which kept me pursuing indefinitely, since of course no such thing exists.

Well, I just want to say I appreciate the very direct approach (to say the least) in Jed's works to emphasize the contrary. I was a bit confused at first by what seems like a contradiction but is not.

With that said, though there is not some final state of pure emotional rapture as I'd previously believed, there is a state of "indescribably quite joyful ordinariness" that is better than anything else anyway (at least in my experience). T/R is rather strange and it was painful coming but I wouldn't trade it in for anything now. The juice is worth being squeezed (since we can't do the squeezing after all).

So, anyway, thanks again for the insight.

Love you too,
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2017, 11:27:49 pm »
Just be as confused as you possibly can, it always precedes learning.

Love ya, Jed.