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Lili

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2017, 06:13:33 am »

OK Fritz... I understand what you mean and how are you thinking. :) Let's see...
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But time is made up by the mental state and doesn't really exist.
Who says that time is made up by the mental state and that doesn't really exist? Enlightened guys? Enlightenment is also mental state! How deep and where it will take one is different from one enlightened guy to another. And if no one knows anything, how can he/she claims anything?! (Sorry Jed and all others enlightened guys, I have nothing against you. I actually like you very, very much.  :-*)
And what is happening with energy, those little particles that creates everything? For everything in universe is actually just energy, every single thought that creates memory is energy.
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The past is a memory, a thought, nothing more.
  Agree.
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You can't touch it, you can't see it and you can't change it, because it is what is not happening... it is not.
. You can't touch, can't see and can't change emotions (love, hate, gratitude) and because of that it doesn't mean that they don't exist, that they are not.
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Rurigan

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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2017, 06:23:05 am »
The past can be replayed if recorded. But we will never be aware of that. It can even be replayed and lead to an other outcome than the "original" recording. Again we would never know. Pre recognition is possible if that is what is wanted us to experience. IMHO you can't say that all memory is false. But it is easily manipulated by your ego construct. False and true is not valid terms. On a logical plane you can say that it is false that 0 equals 1. Actually I am not really sure that is true. OK bla bla... I take a break. Nobody wants to hear it anyway. Even my own ego construct flips every time. But it is okay. After all it is only doing what is made for.
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Frits

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2017, 08:34:29 am »
@ Lili: I don't really feel for a "yes vs no" discussion. If you believe me or don't believe me, I don't care either way. I told you my "experience" (or rather my "non-experience") and I suggest you go find out for yourself.

As far as I am concerned, there is no past and no future and everything we seem to experience at this moment, emotions and all, aren't real... there's actually nothing here. No me, no you, no world and no universe. Nothing is recorded and nothing gets played back, nothing changes because nothing ever happened. ;D
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Lili

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2017, 09:53:41 am »
Please, don't misunderstand me Frits... :)  It is not matter if I believe you or not. Actually I believe you are experiencing state of "non-experience" or "timeless" (I would like I could, too). What I want to point is that we really DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
What if state of enlightment is just another stage in evolution of consciousness? Another sort of "Maya" world? 
Is that kind of enlightment that you are experiencing our limit in consciousness?
Maybe you enlightment guys just experiencing  state of "timeless" and "non-existance". It doesn't mean that time doesn't exist and that there is no true memory. Who knows?  :-\
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2017, 01:20:51 am »
There is more than not knowing anything, and that is that nothing is knowable.... but we are free to make up all the stories we want. Realize T/R and you will have a grasp of what is both knowable and not knowable, unimaginable and inevitable.

Love ya, Jed.
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Lili

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2017, 03:08:14 am »
Jed please, can you explain me what you mean by "nothing is knowable" (because of my english)? That there is nothing that could you know or, that in that nothingess there is some kind of knowledge? Or maybe something third? Thank you  :)
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2017, 03:59:21 am »
Can i just comment that when i see someone asking for clarification because they are not native english pings my radar 1000 percent.
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Rurigan

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2017, 11:10:21 am »
Lili - Jed can't explain s***. He is not real.  ;D
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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2017, 07:22:03 pm »
In my humble opinion, my memories YES are true, and I will try to prove that statement.

Fisrt of all the definition of memories: Mental capacity or faculty of retaining and reviving facts, events, impressions, etc.

For me, memories are information stored in our brains, we collect those information through our senses.
- I thrust my senses. If i see clearly something I belive inmediately, if I do not belive in what I see then  I can not live in this world, for example if I see a car coming towards me at 100 Km/h and I do not belive is true, the car centanly will kill me.

Yes i know that sometimes my senses can be deluded by magic tricks, but this happens almost never.

The question is: Is the information stored in our brains real?
For me is real, not 100% but in a great percentage is real and thats enough for me.

You could say that if it is not 100% true , then is not true to you, but I find that argument not valid here.
You could say that memories are not true because everything is an illusion, but that argument is not valid, because if all are an illusion put yourself in front of a train and you will learn that is not  an illusion.

I have read all Jedīs books and all UG Krishnamurti books, but I am afraid that I have learn nothing from them.
Excuse me my bad english.
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2017, 08:58:26 pm »
Dear A:

Don't worry about your English... I think mine is falling into disuse and going downhill... so I''m in the same boat.

I get what you are say, now permit me a question. As a generalization you are saying that you don't believe in many of the ideas put forward by myself and other (certainly more famous) teacher on this subject. That's understandable because much of this venture is not about beliefs and is quite difficult to grasp.... now my question, for what reason have you been studying such material. It sounds like you have read quite a bit on the subject, but you don't believe it. Isn't that pretty mush a waste of time? Seems like it to me. What are you hoping to gain?

Talk later,

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2017, 11:40:43 am »
Hello Mr McKenna

I am here because I belive in you, but I have no blindly faith in you.
I know you are enlightened, I am totally sure that you know the truth, and my goal is to know the truth myself.
I know that you are not a fake, but I cannot accept all the things you said if I do not see the logic in it.

You can say that all memories are false, but it is YOUR conclusion, you made the homework and came to that conclusion, I can not belive in your conclusion until I do my homework and come myself to that conclusion. My question is: How did you came to that conclusion?

Example:
Einstein said: E=mc2
The first thing I think is: Einstein is a genius, I must belive in his formula, otherwise I must study mathemathics for years, see what means E, M, C2; see how Henry Poincare came to the conclusion that  m=E/c2; and how Einstein stole his formula and change to E=mc2; and then, and only then , I belive in the formula.

Another way to said it: I can not prove you are right about memories, then i think you are wrong.

Do you think that in the search for truth I need to have faith? (belive things without understand them)

PD: I cannot compare you with UG Krishnamurti, he was the worst teacher in the world, he always said: Stop your searching, go home and continue with your miserable life,  Period.
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2017, 01:29:17 am »
Dear A:

Your post and my comments:

I am here because I belive in you, but I have no blindly faith in you. (I like the no blind faith part)
I know you are enlightened, I am totally sure that you know the truth, and my goal is to know the truth myself. (Possibly the only worthy goal in this human experience)
I know that you are not a fake, but I cannot accept all the things you said if I do not see the logic in it. (Accept nothing, and forget about finding the logic in this journey. It's not there.... or here).

You can say that all memories are false, but it is YOUR conclusion, (not so much a conclusion but an experience) you made the homework and came to that conclusion, I can not belive in your conclusion (GOOD!) until I do my homework and come myself to that conclusion. (Don't come to the same conclusion, come to your own conclusions) My question is: How did you came to that conclusion? (I did the work, put in the time, ground through my pain, left my world behind, forgave everyone and everything, released all my importances, and a whole but of other stuff.)

Example:
Einstein said: E=mc2
The first thing I think is: Einstein is a genius, I must belive in his formula, otherwise I must study mathemathics for years, see what means E, M, C2; see how Henry Poincare came to the conclusion that  m=E/c2; and how Einstein stole his formula and change to E=mc2; and then, and only then , I belive in the formula. (you don't have to believe in anything. I don't know or not know about Mr. E. and I couldn't care less. It's all just stories and b.s.)

Another way to said it: I can not prove you are right about memories, then i think you are wrong. (I don't think I am right or wrong, I know for myself how it is for me. Find out for your self how it is for you)

Do you think that in the search for truth I need to have faith? (belive things without understand them) (Yes, you do need a little but only a little to get you started. Then you throw that all away).

PD: I cannot compare you with UG Krishnamurti, he was the worst teacher in the world, he always said: Stop your searching, go home and continue with your miserable life,  Period. (He had his reasons and when you realize your True Nature will probably grasp them).

My final thought for you is stop your searching, go home and continue with your miserable life...and I have my reasons.

Love ya, Jed
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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2017, 11:21:02 am »
There is no such thing as a true memory.

As I stare at the sentence and trying to think of some points for a debate, the words start to float around like I don't even understand English - I need to define "true" and define "memory", but neither is definable because they are just words, syllables, sounds. When does memory end and current experience start? Are we "lagging behind" on reality? I'm not really good with neuroscience(?) so here's my best attempt at a lousy example, clapping. I clap once. Two hands touch making a sound perceived by my ears. There is definitely an order, (brain sending the signal,) hands touch and then the clapping sound. So in a sense, when I hear the sound, "me clapping" has already became memory territory. To describe any present moment as "I am clapping" is not accurate.


Of course this minor gap in between is generally ignored and this is an extreme example to see how far we can push the definition of "memory", but how do I know what is going on right now? It takes time to categorize visual, auditory, etc. sensory information into "things" "places" and "people" that I recognize(and within each there are a million sub categories to choose from, e.g. gender/age/race/height/attractiveness/... for people) so really, am I living in the now? Am "I"(the interpreter I(I what?) identify with) able to experience now?
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant, an assault on your memories
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2017, 10:45:35 pm »
Amen to that...   8) 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2017, 01:08:29 am »
Is it just a belief that we believe stuff happen consequently one after each other?

(I have no doubt it is just a belief)
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