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Cory

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2015, 08:51:28 am »
I've been watching this for a few days, this novelty concept. It seems like what you are proposing is that it is a Survival Of Species (SOS) function. A pervasive, hardwired thing such as Food and Procreation.

Looking into it, I can see that. When questions like this come up, my first go-to scenario is cave man roots. How would novelty suit the basic human survivalist archetype? and the opposite, how would the absence be detrimental. I also see how it informs and co-exists with the other SOS functions. Novelty in food choice, creates a balanced healthy body. Novelty in sexual partners creates a more diverse genetic society and so on.

On a personal level, I noticed discontent when I was considering what I was going do for dinner last night. Looking into it, my only objection to going out to the same local pub was that I'd been there two times in the past three days already. I chuckled and checked my pockets for quarters for pinball.

It certainly seems to be a motive force, and a good one to watch when it comes to how our decisions are made. I can see how fibers of ego can attach to it.

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Meno

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2015, 09:52:47 am »
Interesting – in order to survive you do not have to have TR (unfortunately!); but to have TR you still need to survive – and when you have TR, everything (aka nothing) is novel anyway …?
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2015, 11:22:06 am »
Dear Meno:

Excellent observations, but conclusion a little off. The end result is it's all novelty because every moment is new, after T/R, but you know, I could be reading your post wrong. Let me know.

Thanks though, it's good thinking.

Love ya, Jed.
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Meno

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2015, 01:41:13 pm »
Thanks Jed - I think that is what I meant – but to add/check:

“…and when you have TR, everything (aka nothing) is novel anyway …”

In TR there is no time, no concepts, no labels etc. so everything is experienced as novel – as you say, “everything is novelty because every moment is new.”

I was also thinking about ‘that’ moment where everything is one/nothing/everything etc. which then goes to “oh that’s a pencil, on a desk… etc.” this is a novel experience and I can find myself delighting in the very existence and discovery of a pencil (I haven’t smoked anything!)

Also many other levels of novelty but so hard to put into words; because it’s not just objects and experiences but I would think that TR and novelty are sort of one and the same thing – they are not dissociable?
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2015, 07:32:57 pm »
Look and feel it, is it really a pencil... or is that just a label you are using to take it out of novelty?

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Sparrow

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2015, 08:26:27 pm »
@Jed:Ralph Emerson sized it up well when he said, 'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.' I suggest to you that any time you start feeling safe and secure you have stopped learning and growing. It's a good idea to continually look around you for something that is changing. This is not about being afraid of threats, it's about seeking out that little change that is never stopping. You will experience more surprise and feel more alive by doing this

Dear Jed,

Above words are confusing for me.

I will explain why they are....

For me it's the other way around. When i'm insecure and feeling unsafe i stop learing and growing, i close up. In my experience i'm more open for learning and growing and certainly more open for suprise and change when i feel secure and safe within myself. I don't feel threatend or afraid when i'm secure and safe that's why i can be open.....

So i don't know where your coming from by saying what you said. Can you please be more p.....

Wait more is coming....

When i'm safe and secure within myself i don't mind insecurety and so called unsafe situations. It's becourse of me feeling safe and secure that i don't mind going into uncertainties, feeling insecure and unsafe, becourse in base i'm secure and feeling safe within myself......

Well problem solved.

Thanks....,

Sparrow.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2015, 08:39:41 pm by Sparrow »
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2015, 11:26:29 pm »
Thanks Sparrow, easy peezy, want a job?

Love ya, Jed.
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Meno

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2015, 03:48:49 am »
Indeed, there's no pencil ...
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Sparrow

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2015, 07:04:43 pm »
@JedThanks Sparrow, easy peezy, want a job?

Love ya, Jed.

Dear Jed:

Any suggestions? Maybe i'll leave my current job behind if your idear gets me a better one.....

.....Sparrow
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JohnLB

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2015, 01:41:42 pm »
Great message Jed!

Got it.

I travel quite a lot for work and I always try to winkle out some interesting little country pub or hotel to stay in. I have a colleague (yes an accountant!) who 'has rules' and does exactly the opposite - chains only -  Holiday Inn (of some such) every time. Another rule is never eat in the hotel (to which I murmur - well not in the algorithmic dumps you stay in mate!). He likes 'to know what he's getting' its very pragmatic but dull. I stay in some lovely places but also have some **** nights! But even those can make good stories!

I'm astonished that it is an article of 'business faith' that the customer must always know what to expect. These places (supermarkets, hotels, holiday 'resorts' websites etc. etc.) get duller and duller because they preselect for dullness aka certainty. Its like the Eloi and the Morlocks of the time machine.


Many thanks,

Best, J.
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 11:34:06 pm »
Good observation John.

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2015, 11:16:05 pm »
Quote from: Jed McKenna on January 19, 2015, 12:16:18 am
I suggest to you that any time you start feeling safe and secure you have stopped learning and growing. It's a good idea to continually look around you for something that is changing.

Hmmm... Maybe it's time to bust out and move to San Diego. Or maybe not. I feel safe and secure, but there's still so much to explore.

I don't know which way to go. Find a new place in Oregon, or move to San Diego.
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2015, 01:23:14 am »
Have you ever really moved? Anywhere?

Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2015, 04:52:52 pm »
Quote from: Jed McKenna on January 19, 2015, 12:16:18 am
It's all about consistency, of which I have very little and display even less.

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If Maya/ego can keep you consistent and logical she can keep you in mind, no chance of Truth shining in. Don't schools, institutions, parents and the like want you to be oh-so reasonable, sensible, consistent and logical? Of course they do, they are all in deep trances and want you to join. Members of this forum exhibit different qualities, thank heavens.

Does this consistency also include desires? I often wonder if I'll be more consistent in what I want. Sometimes I want safety and stability, sometimes I want adventure and mystery. Sometimes I want to do abc, sometimes I want to do xyz. Sometimes I'll do abc, sometimes I'll do xyz. Sometimes I'll do neither because I need a nap, or all of a sudden I feel crappy and cancel on a friend.

Is that weird?

I hope to god the mind will eventually be less, well, all over the damn place. I hope this is just a phase, it freaked my last girlfriend out big time.
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed rant, consistency and Maya/ego
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2015, 07:01:13 pm »
Girls do tend to want stability more than guys. Just the way it is.

Love ya, Jed.
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