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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2016, 02:06:26 am »
so how does one proceed without volition?     Any point 'i' stakes a claim to and acts from    is just telling stories to itself in the darkness

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2016, 03:16:50 am »
O.K. you have that at the level of mind. Now just continue to contemplate it until you have it at a cellular level. How will you know? Don't worry, you will know.

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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2016, 06:05:17 am »
I dreamt about progress too for a while and no matter how hard I tried, continued to just be here. Over and over again.

Maybe you find that ALL experience is filtered through perception which in turn is "made up." Maybe you find that everything has always been a story you tell yourself about the pretty pretty apparency. Including you spiritual journey. Then maybe you will shrug and just keep on making up stories because that's the only way to play in this playground unless you're really done playing, then you can have tr and go sit in a corner and make up a story about that too.

Just maybe you will be able to see the falacy in all things and so the seriousness of it all falls away. Then maybe you "proceed."  Maybe then you move on, drop it and be done. Is that progress? Hmm, didn't move an inch, just cleared the sleep from my eye.

Then again, that's just a story ;)

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Here's a story from one of my favorite authors on the subject...

"there's really nothing left for me to do but play with Maya, the goddess of Illusion, not the dog, which she is quick to remind me is all I've ever really done. All my clever idea play has kept me amused but I am still sitting on a dead planet in the middle of nowhere and Maya take your pick is my only friend. I'm not unique in this regard it's the same for everyone the only difference is whether or not you know it" - Jed McKenna
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2016, 11:03:01 am »
Yes, that's just a story. And the fun part starts when you see that telling yourself it's just a story is just a story, and telling yourself it's all for entertainment, is just a story, and the sleep and the eyes and the clearing is just a story... just like this is... and that... and that... and (ad nausium)  ;D

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2016, 11:17:02 am »
Yes, the secret to T/R, to Enlightenment, the big secret that no one has shared up until some crazy m/f er in Holland said it... priceless ''... ad nausium''. Even I had a tough time spelling it.

Your new mantra... with a shrug.. ad nausium.... apply it to everything you experience, and more....

Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2016, 03:40:03 pm »
Hi all (I mean nobody),
I don't think anyone would chose T/R. I think (and thinking with a nomind is tricky so this is guessing) consciousness is so creative that after experiencing appearances and drama of dreams it wants to experience an awakening in the dreams, the detachment maybe on infinite layers. We just see where our little "atman" is and can go with the flow. I doubt everyone will experience (for lack of a better word) T/R like Jed. If we're trying to simulate anyone else's journey it's probably ego leading and yet probably still amusing. I AM and this nothing is downright entertaining. I may not have wanted to be a puppet on a cosmic string but it's better to be what you are than fake some appearance. Eyes open so at least we see the nothing!

Thankful for a place to go crazy,
Amanzo 😀
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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2016, 09:59:55 pm »
This is not an insane asylum, it an asylum for the going-sane. While these are very different, I concede they can look similar at times.

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2016, 11:23:15 pm »
Addendum: Scientists first theorized the atom and attendant molecules. Then they set out to prove it and did indeed appear to find them. Then they went on to sub-atomic particles ... with names that sound like they were created whilst on a stoner in Vegas... maybe they where.

And, it goes on, and on and on. But what I think very few have realize (beside that brilliant scientist, Dr. Mckenna... oohh.. could it be me or Terrance  ??? ??? ???) that all these where not created during the Big Bang, which is another fairy tale for the masses, these have all been created by the scientists themselves. They theorize, they created and then they discover... oh yeh,  :o :o :o and then they seek more money with which they can create more particles. Your labor and taxes contribute to this, of course.  ;) ;) ;) .

Let me give you a more ''at home'' example. If you believe that everyone is evil, you can be sure that you will find that at every turn. It follows that bad things will happen as well. If you believe that all people are walking saints, you will find that. I'm talking really believe, not pretend. Let's suppose thousands of scientist set out to prove that people are evil... what will the result be? With the support of huge universities, governments, taxpayers, etc. they will be able to prove their theory. But what is really happening is they are creating that evil in order to validate their theories and expenditures.

You current human experience is a much like a dream, an apparancy, and in order for it to continue it must be continually in motion... things born, die, change, morph, are created, are discreated... and all of that is done by ''you'' for the purposes of novelty and entertainment (if a purpose is required for anything).

O.K. Jed, that's all very well in theory, but why did I create the crap in my world?

Good question, wrong identification. The you that you think you are is just a fig newton of your True Self's imagination. The True Creator (that's not a good description because it is so far beyond words) has been call many things, and all names are totally inadequate descriptors.

If you want to change something in your present experience (fess up... most of you do) you need to change what you identify with. The one reading this is deeply identified with his/her mind, thinking, memories, thoughts and body... all very, very insubstantial and only an effect, never a cause. The Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu is good on this, but funny in that he said no words can describe the void/mystery and then goes on to give us 5,000 words in an effort to describe it... still good reading.

So back to my tortious metaphor.... scientist are creating their sub-atomic world, then finding it and telling the world about it. But they have very little grasp of the mechanism... they are creating these things in mind and mind only. You are creating this dream at the level of Truth/mystery/The Void and have equally little knowledge of the mechanism.

The you that you currently identify with wants to change the dream but meets with little success, mostly frustration. Any success you experience could better be described as chance, or co-incidence. Remember, the broken clock is right on time twice a day. Is there an answer, a cure so to speak?

I suggest you start with a little b.s. Start by mimicking what the void is doing. Do your best to accept responsibility for everything you hear, see, feel, etc. You created it so might as well accept that and then go on even more high weirdness, want everything you have created. This is very big bite, a huge mouthful, because some things are just not that pleasant, however, to Truth/Void/The Mystery, there is no such thing as pleasant or not pleasant, just the ongoing dreaming.   

You, at the level of Truth creates the dream but as there is no personality and no desire within the void, it cares not what it creates, it doesn't even care if it creates anything but it's been wound up to create for this stage of the story. Things will be quite different in the next yuga, assuming for purposes of explanation that ''time'' actually exists.

Do you really want to change anything... not in my experience because very few people are willing to do what is required... to relinquish their grip on the dream. They cling for dear life to a sinking ship. Were does it all end... this illusory you eventually becomes worm food, or worm-hole food. If you can thoroughly give up wanting to change anything you will have the power to change everything but will have lost all desire to change anything.

This is the beginning of sanity... but that's just another story.

Love ya, Jed








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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2016, 02:53:28 am »
A little etymology wrapped in biblical mythology (you know since it is nearly Christmas)

Man fell from Eden through sin.
Sinning = missing the mark.
Missing the mark created the knowledge of good and evil (read: duality), which created suffering (adam had to get a job now to sustain himself and eve had to suffer from giving birth to children with gigantic information filled heads). Suffering = discomfort = disease = insanity.

How do you like them apples  :D ;)


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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2016, 07:07:38 am »
Love it.

This realization that I am never at the recieving end of creation was big time. All victimized has to go out the window at that point. Like you said creation does not care. It'll be whatever you like baby, you just have to be all in. By all in, I mean ALL IN your chosen reality. Unflinching. Yogic in the approach. 

When I stumbled upon the realization that, not only is there no objective reality, "out there" but that there never has been, there was a twinge that "oh  what if my ego wants to rise up and start controlling it's circumstances" thankfully I'd already ran through the idea that there was some separate "ego" to hammer down and all of the spiritual nonsense.

All that's really happening is you are becoming aware of what you've already been doing. Projecting "a world with meaning and purpose" or an "illusion with no meaning" You can take the passive approach and have no prefferences for what you see and experience or you can wake up to the fact that you and creation, the world "out there" have never been separate to begin with. You can challenge definitions and labels. You can again see that you are always generating "that mother f er over there" or that "beautiful waterfall over here".

This is what the kids are doing with the law of attraction stuff except they don't quite understand the mechanism and so they go on trying to imagine Lamborghinis in the drive and get depressed when the neighbors say that's not a Lamborghini dumb ass that a Ford. You're NOT asking permission. This is what it is and that poor bastard over there obviously just lives in a world with sh*tty vehicles. Consequently, when all you see is what you prefer, you prefer all that you see. If it's unsightly to you then either stop looking or see something else. Stop taking cues from circumstances and the circumstances will take their cues from you.

Creating your own reality is not for the faint of heart. However, you've already been doing it and it's not even hard because none of its real anyways 8)

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2016, 07:36:38 am »
Re read what I just wrote and said to myself "your going crazy!" Then realized that I'd rather go crazy creating my reality than go crazy reacting to yours. 

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #41 on: December 22, 2016, 08:09:09 am »
Well said J, I would agree if there was such a thing as reality... but, it's still a good point.

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2016, 01:03:29 am »
"If you can thoroughly give up wanting to change anything you will have the power to change everything but will have lost all desire to change anything."

sooooooo you can change  by not wanting to change??? So confused jed! >:( can you explain free will again?

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2016, 02:16:34 am »
I was also pondering free will yesterday, wondering how much i actually had, then started to contemplate if i was even displaying any, that perhaps it too was just a trick of the light that comes into view when seen from certain angles.  There is no me 'trying', no me 'controlling',      'it' arranging everything.

What followed was a bit like being hollowed out, no will, no 'i', just stuff happening. Things finding their own places on their own, all automatic. Felt like being inside out, empty, part of a larger machine, the so called world.  Nothing to do, and awe.

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Re: Jed Rant: Cut to the Chase....
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2016, 02:36:49 am »
Free will requires a personality who would want to ''will'' something and have a free choice to do so. Who would that personality be when there is no such things as personality. What you call personality is a collection of memories link together and justified with stories signifying nothing ... this is about as flimsy are anything could be .. and yet, your personality takes itself seriously, sometimes to the extent that one dies over it. If you think that makes any sense at all you are quite out of your mind... no wait  ..... the opposite, you are quite in your mind and that is a rather sad and depressing place to be. Best to leave the mind and go beyond it, way beyond it. Much easier said than done.

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