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Jed McKenna

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Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« on: June 27, 2016, 07:35:38 am »
Dear Members, and anyone else who thinks they exist.

It's not uncommon to hear ''teachers'' say it's self-evident you exist, obvious... right? Well, do you exist? Nobody believes that they don't exist. But how do you know you exist?

The most common answer it something about you have the capacity to sense things, to feel. Of course, you can't say that you don't exist because that would mean your aren't there to either believe or not believe, or perhaps even express yourself, if there is one. If you say you don't exist it would mean you existed in order say it. It's not so obvious that you exist but it's obvious that you can't say that you don't exist.

So, what gives, do you exist or not, are you or are you not? You are the absence of that which is not, and that is all that you can think you are.

Contemplate that... it's all you ever need to know, and you can't know it at all.

Love ya, Jed



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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2016, 08:56:31 am »
Not non-existing = existing. At least one thing exists : existing.

Cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I exist. Let's dumb it down. Thinking therefore existing. No need for an "I". If there is thinking, thinking exists, thus there is existing. This goes with everything. I eat therefore I am , yellow hat, therefore existence. Ultimatly existing therefore existing, therefore existing, therefore... .


Thought experiment, Indra's web, version 2.0 :
Who exists? What is the "I"? I could be somebody's dream, or a program in The Matrix.  The Matrix could be another program within a bigger Matrix, ad infinitum. "I" living in the Matrix can go role playing and create a new character, for example a valiant knight. To me that knight is just an illusion, does not exist. But I have no guarantees it's not the other way around. Maybe I am a valiant knight. Maybe the "me" I think I am is just a means for the valiant knight to create a world in which he exists. So the Matrix in Matrix analogy could go up, down or in any direction. The Buddhist concept of Indra's web is that of an endless web, with perfectly shining juwels, each reflecting all the others. My 2.0 version of Indra's web is where each jewel is another infinite web on itself. That situation could be possible.

BUT non existence does not exist. Whatever hypothesis, one single materialistic universe that started at the big bang or an infinite web of infinite webs it is all based on the one simple truth, there is no non existence.
That What Exists, exists, the rest is speculation.

My true nature, underneath all concepts that are uncertain, is existence, is That What Exists. I am That.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2016, 09:23:44 am by Guido »

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2016, 09:05:47 am »
do I exist? yes and no. how do I know I exist? awareness of questioning.
dumb enough to answer, but brilliant enough to know I do not know.

back to watching the chickens.

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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2016, 09:35:39 am »
too eager and quick to answer. I give my false self away every time!
how do I know I exist? really, how do I know? and no easy jump out this time into the assertion I do not know or can't know. If there is an answer, I'm going to find it. too bad though, I'm guessing it's not something that can be talked about. still, I might be stupid enough to try and share what I find.

over and out. Love, I

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2016, 03:20:22 pm »
I blame babies! They are the cause that we all think about existence or death. Reflecting such phantom knowledge on materialistic things. A whole life you're supposed to believe you're someone of importance. Till the body's engines run out of fuel then it's game over in nerd language. Sure I ain't a dummy. Of course I imagine there is interaction going on and we seem to get along as separate entities. But that's bogus! That's not existing. To claim something exist is like making up laws that something must be true and don't you dare question The Law! No but seriously keep on questioning and let go of that specific form of living you made up.


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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 05:45:58 pm »
fugazi: "yes, I exist"

Jed: (presuming Jed's response of course) "show me this "I" that you say exists"

fugazi: "hmmm, can't"

Jed: "well?"

fugazi: "there is an awareness of existence, nothing more"

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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 07:46:52 pm »
Well, since there is only further "I"'ve decided to give you guys and galls a specific voice in the mind. Just for fun of course.
Jed sounds like octo from spongebob squarepants.
I'll go philosophize about nothing and existence some other moment if yall don't mind.

Love, Mori

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 08:14:04 pm »
I believe I exist.
I see a beer to my left, of which I just had a sip.
I see these fingers in front of me typing what I believe are words which I believe will be read and understood by some other I's.
I just had a notion that I am hungry, but a thought raced across with the message that I need to lose some weight because I just had a hip transplant. I believe so anyway.
I believe I just coughed.
I believe I exist. Yes.
And YOU can't prove my belief wrong either. So there.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 08:15:12 pm »
I also believe that this beer is very very good beer.

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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 11:41:30 pm »
I don't know how it's possible to know (at least with this mind)  :-\ Either way, it'll be 'the mind' saying something exists or doesn't and being the trickster it is, it'll be a bit flaky.

I assume the point of contemplating something like this is to realize there is probably no way to really know via the mind.  It can't be proven or disproven, but that's a belief too.



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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2016, 08:42:59 am »
The idea of no self is an idea too. It should be dropped.

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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 08:46:54 am »
Everything we are saying is just thoughts,  our mind makes a construct of all this,  but it's just nothing. The wind blows and the rain falls for no reasons,  they just are. We are Conciousness without content.

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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2016, 03:12:11 pm »
I'm posting this message because I exist. :)
But...does it really matter? Why does it matter? Why should I ask this question?
How can I ask something about thing that doesn't need any questions?
Doubt inapplicable.

Just for fun, let's apply usual way of making questions:
I don't exist. --> Failure --> I don't agree with that. --> Do I really exist? --> Oh, shi...
 ;D

But... what happens when ego asks if he/she exists? Trap?
Jed, does Maya exist? If Maya doesn't exist how can you communicate to dreamworld?
Don't answer, it doesn't really matter too.  ;D
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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2016, 04:00:05 pm »
Good questions, and like you said, it doesn't really matter.

But hey, I got that non-existent you using your non-existent mind to contemplate your non-existence, and that's a start on the non-existent path to no-where.

Love ya, Jed
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Re: Jed Rant... Do you exist... really?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 04:27:50 pm »
I always thought I was going home.
But.. that home.. doesn't excist either.
Sometimes.. my mind implodes and explodes.
What a bullshit. Nothing excists.
It's the only way.