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Winston

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Re: Jed Rant: Aware of Awareness
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2017, 12:14:50 pm »
I deleted it, and didn't check whether anyone responded. Sorry about that, So who is it that is finding it daunting, Its the process of trying to see if in direct experience, whether awareness can be aware of awareness, and it just felt not clear, so perhaPS, a bit of ego, still wanting to be clear. IT JUST got abit muddled up, but Ill look at your response, and contemplate it some. I suppose awareness is known only by the things that APPEAR to be seen via awareness, and I got abit lost in who, or what, be it awareness itself aware of that awareness.


I think Im a little overtired, and can over do it, but thanks, what you said seems to make sense.
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Re: Jed Rant: Aware of Awareness
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2017, 12:20:22 pm »
Just realised I have no issue with awareness being aware, the difficulty I had, or have is awareness aware of this awareness. If that makes sense. Awareness seems a no brainer, all seems to appear in it, but the question of awareness being aware of this awareness itself, felt unclear. I dare say, I could ask, unclear for wh0. Im not sure, regarding awareness itself being aware and awareness of that, almost beckons division, Awareness that is aware of sensation, but awareness perse, is somewhat unknowable, other than the fACT, ONE KNOWS THINGS OCCURING BY THE Fact that awareness is aware. Best I come back to it, aND PLEASE KNOW OR BE at least told, Im open for discussion ;)
 

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Re: Jed Rant: Aware of Awareness
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 10:39:13 pm »
Have you read all the Jed Rants?

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed Rant: Aware of Awareness
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2017, 03:21:00 am »
Just realised I have no issue with awareness being aware, the difficulty I had, or have is awareness aware of this awareness. If that makes sense. Awareness seems a no brainer, all seems to appear in it, but the question of awareness being aware of this awareness itself, felt unclear. I dare say, I could ask, unclear for wh0. Im not sure, regarding awareness itself being aware and awareness of that, almost beckons division, Awareness that is aware of sensation, but awareness perse, is somewhat unknowable, other than the fACT, ONE KNOWS THINGS OCCURING BY THE Fact that awareness is aware. Best I come back to it, aND PLEASE KNOW OR BE at least told, Im open for discussion ;)

I'll give it a shot, just for fun-sake, until zenmaster Jed clubs me down with his little wooden stick.

If you read the rant correctly you will see that Jed calls the "fact" that you can be aware of the "fact" that you are aware, an illusion within the Dreamstate. And if you can be aware that you are aware, you can also be aware of the "fact" that you are awareness being aware of awareness being aware (et cetera ad infinitum, turtles upon turles all the way down).

But, an illusion within the Dreamstate means it is not true, but only appears to be true to you (which is, of course, never true). So I believe Jed means that if you look hard enough at the "fact" that awareness is aware of itself (within the illusion of the Dreamstate), you might be ably to "see" beyond the Dreamstate, which is the whole point of S/A (so I believe).

But I am sure Jed will correct me if I missed his point.  ::)

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Re: Jed Rant: Aware of Awareness
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 08:18:58 am »
Im getting dizzy, my in-house Dr keeps on suggesting, go check out other rants, the ranter himself has ASKED, if I have already done so. Hmm. But for sake of living against Drs orders, I think once that it is established that awareness is aware, then knowing this implies awareness of this, and if that is established then its that turtle activity you were kind enough to help me see. I could be wrong, of course, and perhaps its not so cut and dry.

What is interesting is a little bit of frustration was felt, almost like a belief that I should be able to see this clearly, and yeah. Ill leave it as that, as this has unearthed some beliefs I feel, and am to tired to convey. I might get a second wind. Thankyou Fritz.

I thought I did respond to you Jed, No, perhaps the odd one, but this one was, is, an interesting situation. It got this bunny jumping up and down. So this just bubbled up. Thought cannot be aware, hence can any aspect of what is percieved able to be so> My feeling is a NO, ultimately no. No wonder its not easily seen theough, The fiction comes with a projected image that is aware.
Thankyou both.
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