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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2014, 12:36:35 pm »
Jed,
 
the question I ask is what would you do to let all the clinging go? Is it like saying No, No get away when the thoughts arrive in the mind? I tried to figure it out myself but I am not sure what is the right way.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2014, 12:38:18 pm »
My cat and any other animal
and some humans.
nature
creativity
coziness
relaxation
no pains
distraction
tilidin (in low dosis, its a painkiller)
the imagination of my self
the words of all these McKennas, Jed and Terence  ;)

etc.. etc.................and many more useless crap

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2014, 01:33:12 pm »
Usually a middle sized cup of coffee with a name on it.

And some strange subtle feeling that tells me that I should care about what people are saying and what they care about when I really don't care at all. And perplexity because of the fact that I notice this happening but I'm not succumbing to the mind's effort to care about it and yet witness it questioning if I really really don't care. It's like that thing before you log out from certain web pages when you are asked "Do you really want to log out?". Yep. Somehow this keeps happening. I'm attached to my mind's tendency to care and not the actual caring in itself. Attachment to non-attachment is as whatever as everything else.

Oh, and food. That **** is awesome.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2014, 04:42:38 pm »
That's an interesting exercise...

My holdings -
Enlightenment/TR
Maintaining an ongoing inquiry
Insights of the inquiry (feel the liberating feelings associated with it)
Getting more emotional mature and ready for TR
Having hope and goals for the future
Love/intimacy/warmth with humans (or animals)
Occupying the mind by new and interesting experiences
Mobility (having legs, a car, not being confined to one place)
Health - specially the ability to see, hear, talk, walk, and not being in pain or bound by disease
Comfort of the senses
Being in nature and in inspirational places that invoke good and spiritual feelings
My mother, ex-girlfriend, and few other people (wishing that they would be happy, healthy and alive)
The feeling that I'm OK exactly as I am, that I'm appereciated by others, and not being regarded as an outsider/stupid/not attractive and so on
Having time for myself, privacy and silent enviroment

That's for now, sure there is more
Jed, if you feel like responding or cutting my head off, you are welcome... ;)

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Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2014, 05:11:26 pm »
If I was really in my death bed I would want to say goodbye to a few people. Other than that I don't see myself being afraid since I attempted death once I lost the fear of dying. Perhaps I would cling to the disappointment that I wasn't going to live to be 700 years old. I am attached to the idea of ascension. But my curiosity would get the best of me and I would jump to the opportunity to transition.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2014, 05:43:41 pm by claudia »
Much love,


claudia

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2014, 05:29:16 pm »
Little accident few hours ago, finger bleeding. Now I am here, saw the rant and find it appropiate to play open cards.
I'll throw in physical attachments:
- This heart; wtf does all that beating!?
- These lungs; Probably 60-70% of the day ignoring nightsleep I can be aware of breathing fully and at ease. Usually goes into autopilot: What does that!?
- The brains; Human sponge absorbing shítty data
- My butthole;Natural church (Why do they usually say Holy crap for huh!? :P Perhaps people worshipped Jezus when he took a shít?)

The above attachments (ignore the butt) are in no control to a "me". However these attachments can be played with. Life is fun for no reason, all meaningless. The heart and lungs fully resonates with intense or fearful physical impulses. Such as the time I went skydiving, electrified sensation. I look at my bleeding finger. Another attachment comes out to play:

- pain

Asside from the loved ones which we all imagine to have, it is interesting to watch pain develop into play. How certain can you get that it is "You" that suffers? The moment I hurt my finger electrified signals were sent to my brains giving me the "ERROR! ERROR!" mental security call.

Okay before I hit the limit here are other highrated attachments to me:

- Dabbling
- lazy and bored from time to time
- XXX (the ladies who are after me)

And the biggest of all: language

Love you,

Stephan
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 06:38:29 am by Stephan »

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2014, 06:21:00 pm »
Desire for freedom
The conflict between doing what I want and pleasing others
the need to appear to others as good/worthy/smart/respectable
the need to 'appear' to excel at all my roles... dad/husband/son/employee
the results of my sports teams
my idea of the future
my savings account
my credit card balance
the weeds in the backyard
my resistance to my wifes' needs/wants/nagging
the need to work on all my deficiencies
the guilt of being poor at the roles i play.
the need to resolve conflict between others
my body
my face
my desire to be alone


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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2014, 07:30:54 pm »
You solicited thoughts, here goes:

'Letting go' is a bit like that ‘no-self’, non-thing that twists so many up. They wax all mystical about the loss or absence of something that never existed, then start sticking attributes onto it, like a game of pin-the-tail on the vacuum. conceptualising the absence of something that was never there…like multiplying nothing by two and believing the product is different to zero.  …If ‘self’ doesn’t exist, ie. equals nothing, then ‘no-self’ (which is an absence of nothing) must be something…leading us to the i.n.s.a.n.e. conclusion that ‘no-self’ has more substance than ‘self’.

...When does ‘movement’ become ‘clinging’? When (i) there’s an object to the movement and (ii) you cannot stop it….and then you cannot stop that you cannot stop…and cannot get away from the entangling thoughts around entangling thoughts that seek to bind tightly around empty space from which has been projected this thought-universe, with subjects and objects against which they can reference a self and to which they might cling, or be repulsed (...which seems another kind of clinging).

Letting go is not something you do, it’s something you stop doing; holding on. Clinging is the behaviour, letting go has no corresponding behaviour, but is merely an absence of the clench part of the cling. One doesn’t “let go” as such, one just stops clinging…a subtle difference, but it means that there’s only one choice: power the cling, or stop.

I notice that when I notice clinging thoughts that it always seems to weaken...So, my clings:

company and comfort: while they’re here, why not enjoy? when it looks like moving on, don’t try and stop it.
chemicals: cortisol, endorphins, food (fat, salt, sugar), alcohol. they jerk me around
enlightenment: i’ve not used the word for a long time and the empty seeking stopped when I learned that jettisoning is the requirement, not further accretion. But the habit has left an aftertaste...
ping: what I call my insights (your books led to heaps of that, Jed). Be with it til it fades or leads to new insights. The memory of the ping isn’t the ping.
writing books: i’ve been clinging to the need to write something meaningful…this is morphing into a burning desire to write something true…which seems to involve kissing a whole lotta frogs in search of a princess…well, at least I have hope that she exists!

Am I clinging to life? No, my death is the only certainty I have. Take me anytime. When is not important, although I’d prefer to see it coming and welcome it head-on. I’ve always loved Musashi’s take: focus all your energy on the assault (your task, aka, living) and nothing on your shields (trying to stay alive). Very useful in martial training. "Nobody has ever died before their time” is a great reminder.

The universe has no ‘plan-b’, so why should I waste energy trying to think one up? Not sure where that came from, seems pertinent here...

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2014, 01:07:44 am »
Thank you for all the attachments.

Now, consider this. Where do those attachments exist? Very specifically, where exactly do they exist?
Furthermore, when do they actually exist? Are any really in the present? Don't they pull you either into the past or point you into the future in some way.

The way to let go is not where you might think it is. Your brain is a continuously 'on' recorder. The 'erase' button is in your body. See if you can find it.

Good luck!

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2014, 01:44:35 am »
In the body? Are you talking about  the pressure points used in Chinese medicine? Just kidding. I do heard that the resistance of emotions tends to leave blockings in body.

Today when staying with the blocking in the chest area, I started burping. My guess is some repressed emotion was released.

What do you think, Jed?

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2014, 02:54:49 am »
I had this thing where I saw how I was constantly trying to interpret the "feeling" in my stomach as bad. WHat if its not bad, its just been ignored my whole life? My stomach area is really something, much more than that supposed heart is supposed to be.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2014, 06:08:31 am »
I am holding on to
- the feeling that i matter
- the feeling that i exist
- the capacity to relate to others and get a nice intimate feeling resulting
- the image that the world is worth living in
- the illusion of others, i need to stay alive for them
- fear of disappearance
- Jed's approval

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2014, 09:08:34 am »
I think my process is

1. Monitor the recorder.
2. Relieve pain. (Resist to act on De Fence.)

Do loop.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2014, 09:47:19 am »
In the breath. I notice deep abdominal breathing clears the tapes the head's running and eliminates anxiety. I use it especially when I'm nervous about an upcoming performance. Works always.

Running also works wonders, but that could be due to the effects on the breath.

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Re: Jed rant, letting go, stimulated by Gromer
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2014, 02:21:06 am »
Dear Jed,
I don't know the answer to your question.

What I notice is that letting go= letting be.
Whatever is here, is supposed to be here, so I give up the struggle to change it.
By direct experience of the sensations in the belly, chest, throat or head and by not
telling a story of how wrong or right they are, they cease to exist or they lose their power.
I guess the secret here is that without a story about the feeling it cannot be here, and by meeting it
and realising it's nothing, the attachment is been cut!

Love you
Gwen