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Jed McKenna

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2017, 11:13:54 am »
ALL hope is false hope, give up. It's quite hopeless. Hope is just another declaration of want and desire... the source of all suffering.

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2017, 11:34:52 am »
Exactly, Jed. 10 minets ago got the idea, that "I am/me/self" just a terms, just a thoughts. Can't look "inside self" because "inside self" just a conception/thought. I don't no, may be it sound silly. I AM is just a f***ing thought. There is no place to look "inside self". But what to do with this ideas?  ???

"I" just understood that. "I"will try feel it and sense it.
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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2017, 11:43:49 am »
Best you don't do anything with ''ideas'' because they are not real or substantial. Just a f a r t in a hurricane.

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2017, 11:51:48 am »
 ;D ;D maybe my English is so bad. I can't find the right words. I don't think that it's just an ideas. It's my experience. But and the "experience" it's not a correctly, because no any experiencer

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2017, 12:39:39 pm »
Are you aware of the fact you are reading this... are your aware that you are aware of the fact you are reading this? Then you are close..
I can be aware of the fact that I'm writing this, yes I'm aware of it right now, but being aware of awareness of a fact? it seems like impossible to me  ??? because when I'm aware of something all my attention is occupied on being aware, so there is nothing left to be aware of the awareness, however I can only remember that oh I was aware of the fact of writing a few moments ago and I'm not aware of that now because I'm putting my attention somewhere else.

so in other words if we agree on "awareness = focus/concentration" then trying to focus on being focused doesn't look a real thing, but rather like an attitude, goal or belief , like puting a timer and sitting for meditation :-\
 
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2017, 12:50:04 pm »
I very much enjoyed this particular thought or dissemination  This is a bit of an aside but related to that so I hope no one minds my asking this here, but have you considered writing a book about your journey to wherever you are now? (Or, you have an official request for it now in any case. :)

Kind of like, before the Nothing or T/R or Jed McKenna, a bit of the story of who you were coming to this unfolding?

I realize that this may be kind of like asking for the finger pointing at the moon and drawing attention to that rather than the moon, but there's something very enjoyable and helpful (I find) about that as well.  My own feeling and experience of these things is that you find markers along the way, little signposts that life snags you with, or that others have left behind as they were making their own way, and they're useful.  It takes you from being completely lost and not knowing quite how to be where you are or how to deal with it (or if it even can be dealt with) to being lost but knowing that lost is Ok, and you don't have to struggle with it so much.

For instance, I had a bottoming out once (a light one, probably as much as I could have handled at that time,) VERY much an encompassing emptiness.  It would have been a lot more terrifying, and I don't think I could have sat with it long because everything in me just wanted to get away from it, out of it.  Basically, "Help!!!"  But I happened to have a book nearby which described EXACTLY what I was experiencing at that moment, and suddenly I could sit with it differently, more acceptance and less concern, because somewhere along the way someone went though it and my brain let go of the idea it was something completely horrible.  Kind of like, "Oh. This IS a natural thing arising. Ok, if they did it maybe I can do it."

Very few can prepare you for these kinds of experiences I think since it really doesn't fit into the worldview.  You're more likely to be medicated, and you would even agree with the idea that you should be.

So anyway, when I finally let myself bottom out and settle (to the small extent that that particular bottoming out was,) a new direction arose out of it that I would never have been able to take before (since it wasn't in line with everything I was thinking I was "supposed" to do prior to that.)  So it was useful and had its place after all.

Sorry for this long explanation.  But in any case, I would personally love if you ended up writing your own personal story, experiences and journey, that you went along the way.  I know this is my own selfish request. No holding my breath on it.  :)

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 01:57:51 pm »
Don't be interested in me, be interested in you.  It's all you have. Find out what's real and what's illusory for you. If you read about my journey and experiences it's inevitable that you will seek to reproduce at least some of it. That's a trap that I do my best to avoid setting for you.  However, I think I do fail at time. Oh well....  ::) ::) ::)

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. Maybe... some day... who knows and who cares.
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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2017, 08:18:41 pm »
Jed, is it important to get right knowledge? Besides doing meditation and contemplating the I AM without thoughts.

I read that Maya needs to get the knowledge (Higher Mind) that she is the source, and that happens when thoughts about the source happen, but it needs to be thoughts with no form. Only names about the source. So those thoughts will remove the ego side of maya, or the ignorant part of maya. (Lower mind).

When the ego leaves because of the knowledge of Maya, Maya also leaves. It's like the fire on dry grass, once the fire burns everything...  fire is not needed anymore.
Like when there's sickness, if you drink the medicine when you are good, you don't have sickness and there's no need for medicine, both go.

And at that moment, awareness without maya can know itself and it gets absorbed by Brahman, the supreme.

Do you think more understanding can be of help? Like reading the Bhagavad Gita?
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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2017, 09:50:44 pm »
Most understand is ''mind'' understanding and it's of little use, other than to put itself back to sleep and out of the way.

I suggest you go to the two best sources I know, Nis and Ramana.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2017, 09:55:35 pm »
Most understand is ''mind'' understanding and it's of little use, other than to put itself back to sleep and out of the way.

I suggest you go to the two best sources I know, Nis and Ramana.

Love ya, Jed.
Thanks Jed.

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2017, 12:54:49 pm »
I hear ya.  No worries on my part of trying to replicate your own experiences and results.  My path has been so uniquely my own (from my perspective) that I don't think I would be driven to do it anyone else's way.  Whatever my life has been is what got me this far, why try to switch it up now?  And the most useful things have come out of experiences I couldn't have possibly "tried" to put together myself or have known about before stumbling into them.  So I think it's mostly between myself and Life or whatever anyway.

It's more about an interesting (and sometimes useful) solidarity.  Seeing/knowing/understanding your own experience in other places and people even though by such completely different means.  Maybe that's only useful in a moment or two along the way as well (tomorrow you may be a different person and no longer in need of what yesterday brought,) but those moments along the way are pretty cool and fun. Anyway, I put my bid in.  On with the day. :)

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Re: Jed Rant: Meditation and prayer... what's up?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2017, 10:18:33 pm »
Sounds like a plan...

Love ya, Jed.