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Locustafiera

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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2015, 06:15:46 am »
Absolutely not Mori.  I can't claim ownership of the Hydra metaphor, it's a quote. 
"You can spend your life hacking away at the million headed hydra of attachment and never make any progress, or you can follow emotional energy back to its source, its lair and see Leviathan, enemy of light, for what it is."

Mori

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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2015, 06:48:24 am »
Ah this is from Jed right? I had read his books in my native language (Dutch), hence why it didn't click.
On another note: Who is this "I" to take ownership?  ::)
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Locustafiera

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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2015, 08:48:29 am »
Right.
another relevant quote;
"Attempting to become unattached is putting the cart before the horse. Non attachment is not the key to liberation, it’s a by-product."

and

"Perennial Badguys Attachment and Desire are not the problem, they’re the symptoms of the underlying malady that drives us to live our lives in opposition to the natural order. Our lives are spent in the futile effort to sweep back the tide so we can build these tiny sandcastles of ego which can only survive as long as we constantly erect them. In this scene we make all the natural elements wrong and we spend our lives and life energy struggling against them."

Who said anything about ownership?


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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2015, 10:08:44 am »
I find it a bit tiresome how people talk about cutting away attachments... Should I leave the family? Should I leave college? Should I quit my job? Can I still play my guitar. Attachments, like someone already kinda mentioned, aren't the problem and they aren't what you need to focus on if you want H/A or T/R. Focus on Who am I? or What am I? or What is truth? and the rest will follow.

Attachment will or will not be cut, and if they do or don't doesn't matter. Truth is still truth, with or without attachments.

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Re: Jed rant stop believing thoughts and the Nav Series
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2015, 10:20:02 am »
Yeah that, and some attachments are benign anyway. That's the H/A part, cleaning up any mess made, there is no sense in struggles or discomfort.

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When one "looks" at it from an everyday normal perspective, yes the ****, shooting, bombing is less than optimal. When one "sees" it from H/A perspective, none of it applies. What's the problem? Where's suppression ? I have to admit, I am curious about your technique, but not sure if there's really a problem if one "sees" insted of of "looking". Seems like any technique will still be a band-aid, unless S/A is done or in progress. I would appreciate your comment.

P.S. Somehow it may sound horrible what was just written...  but only if one "looks".

Jed McKenna

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Certainly many ''techniques'' that are pedaled are bandaids, but there are some very effective ones. They do the job and don't cover up like the way they use a coat of white paint here to hide the black mold.

Love ya, Jed.

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We have thoughts to believe, emotions to feel. We are born to have.

So it makes no sense to disbelieve thoughts or stop feeling the emotions.


But very strangely, we feel something not going right, so we are trying to disbelieve thoughts and stop feeling.


That is, if there's no wrong about thoughts and emotions, then why do we try to against them?



Why not just be what we are instead of against what we are?


I guess the reason is that we don't want to be what we are.


Teacher will say : accept what you are.


Great! But I don't know how to do.

One way to do that is cutting my brain off, be a plant. The another way is stop wanting.

But wanting is my(ego) nature, so stop wanting makes no sense.  (If I am a ball, stop being a ball makes no sense and at the same time, breaks the rule:accept what we are)


I have give up "stop", so that is the reason why I have very strong emotions now.



Do we still have a way to go out from the circle?


If we want to accept what we are, what we feel, what we are thinking, then it is reasonable to notice them (at least we need to know what we are trying to accept). That is the first step to do.

But most of time we don't have such ability to aware of our ongoing thoughts/emotions/images.

Maybe we can do it by practicing since it is doable , my ego can do that


The next step is non-business of my ego: accept that.

I can only do what ego can do.


How?
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Jed McKenna

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Who is this ''we'' you speak of and how do you know so much about ''them"? Please explain.

Love ya, Jed.

aldway

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Hi,

Thank you for your question.

The "we" that I was talking about is the objects which I assume has the same ego pattern as mine.

Although I don't know much about them, but I know them by talking to them, and observe their reaction, or observe their behaviors.

Of course they maybe are acting or pretending such that my observation maybe wrong.


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Interesting...what is an 'ego pattern'?
I have no idea what that is. Would you expect that everybody knows what that is?
TIA


Jed McKenna

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In a night dream, what communication happens between one dreamed character and another dreamed character? What free will exists between those two?

Love ya, Jed.

aldway

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Hello,

For jonnydas: I can't imagine of something that everybody will know.


For Jed: Sorry I am hardly to response about the topic of "communication between dreamed characters", since I've never seen any character in my dreams talk or say something. So no much resonance about it.

Not knowing much about free will, since I think they are merely reactions triggered by another. Is it a must-to-have in H.A.?

Jed McKenna

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It's a ''can't have so consciously plan and pretend to have it'' thingy.

Love ya, Jed.