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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2018, 04:53:58 pm »
@ J( (Justin):

I know you're freaking out, with the new kid and stuff, and the fact that you didn't find or get what you were looking for because you got scared. Trust me, I understand. But the way you are attacking other people and posts — not only here, but on the other forum as well — is really the same as whistling in the dark trying to convince yourself you are not in any danger. I'd like to call it pathetic, but that wouldn't be nice of me.

Oh yeah, right, I am not the nice guy... got myself confused with Jed. ;D

But seriously, dear Justin, get on with your life. Go be a husband, go be a father, leave all this nondual, done, dreamstate stuff behind you and go get a life. Don't bother with us weirdo's, don't bother with Jed. Leave this forum, leave Platos Kave... go!

You can't do that, can you? Ask yourself this: why can't you do that? Don't say you don't want to, because you do and you know I know you do... so what's keeping you, Justin? Are ya scared?

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2018, 06:33:47 pm »
This is part of my process Fritz. Basically un f*cking myself. How is it an attack and not an honest discussion?

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2018, 07:03:23 pm »
In Ultimate Reality you are perfect j( and theres nothing **** up with you. From my perspective It would be more "optimal" for you If you "leveraged out" this entire system of delusion out of your head for a better human experience... Just my 2 cents

"Jedism" is not about self improvement... This is Tony Robbins sphere. You may regret in the future pretending to be an honest "Truth seeker" while clinging to a self... You may get something you do not wish for... So, for your own well being, make a clear choice between ego and Truth, Tony or Jed, and be done with It... Lest you may spend the rest of your life with contradictions burning inside of you... Just my 2 cents again

Yeah I know It feels like total hell for some time but in the end theres true Joy waiting for you in Truth. If Maya Works for you though, no problem being there, of course


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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2018, 09:20:12 pm »
This is where it gets tricky. So for the sake of clarification, it should be noted the difference between the ego and the self. Ego being the conglomeration of memories, stories ect, can be destroyed. The self, body, awarness is the thing that doesn't go away until the time of death. I've not met or observed a single individual without one. Jed included. So its misleading to say "no self" because if we're honest, that's just not the case.

That's why its difficult to just let it all go and chalk it up as being for naught because riding yourself of ego IS self improvement. To release your stories and be present in the moment is self improvement. To let go negative association to past events is self improvement. To be free to create with a clean slate. To be single pointed, focus and release attention because it's not lost in thoughts it deems important, is self improvement.

The issue arises when people really buy into there being no self. Then they believe they are somehow this all encompassing entity, where everything is perfect and requires no effort or nothing at all, freeing them from any responsibility. That's dangerous and where we get way off track with this stuff. The body mind self are still here apparent and called into action every day in all matters. Acceptance of such while being aware that you make it all up as you go along are in tandem a very combination so long as your not lost in the mystical and spiritual aspects of it all. It's too easy to just go all the way in the wrong direction either way if you're not clear on the difference between ego and self.

Terms like maya mean nothing to me. If you were to say something like being stuck in egoic stories I could work with that but such is the nature of spiritual language and like I said my process is one of un f*cking myself because of it and making this thing clear so that it's a wrap.

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2018, 09:31:31 pm »
For me its not about "improvement"... Its about throwing away the trash out of THAT which is already perfect. Do I and Jed have egos? Yup, theres a sliver there... But very, very slim..  and I mean VERY SLIM... So no harm

Btw Im neither the body nor awareness and I dont disappear after death because Im the Absolute and I "own" the Universe, God, the play of Universal Consciousness, etc

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2018, 10:13:13 pm »
Yup, that's my exper ence, however, from the perspect ve of Maya, t can sound qu te egot st cal. But  t  sn't.

Comp not work ng well.  nsert letters as appropriate. Oops, now it works. Go figure.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2018, 06:39:28 am »

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2018, 08:24:54 am »
Wow. Glossed right over my post about the difference between ego and self. To post that? This is actually as far as I get with anyone who claims "enlightenment." They dont seem to understand the differences between destroying the ego yet embracing and yes even improving the self. They just lump it all together like "welp theres no me" and begin the devolution process. Oh well. I'm quite clear on it at this point just through my own observation. Thanks for your participation.

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2018, 09:17:31 am »
If It works for you... If It rings true in YOUR universe... Good. No problem... I, Jed and Frits endorse your decision... Enjoy

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2018, 11:12:32 am »
The only point of enlightenment is a more funny experience and becoming a Funner person. yeah of course the ego will Always be there but you won't be ashamed of having an ego (self) and girls find that quite FUN..

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2018, 12:15:24 pm »
Yup... I mean, for me its was more like about becoming a funnier non-person. But I agree... Fun is great. I like your style

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2018, 05:32:11 pm »
Wow. Glossed right over my post about the difference between ego and self. To post that? This is actually as far as I get with anyone who claims "enlightenment." They dont seem to understand the differences between destroying the ego yet embracing and yes even improving the self. They just lump it all together like "welp theres no me" and begin the devolution process. Oh well. I'm quite clear on it at this point just through my own observation. Thanks for your participation.

Ego is manufactured out of the believe of being a self, out of the identification with a self, in order to proof the existence of that self. But in fact, there is no self and there is no ego, and it's all b.s. End of story.

The self you wish to improve is fiction, so improving fiction is more fiction. You are actually fooling your self and it's amazing to me that you do not see that, Justin... it's like you actually blindsided your self into believing you are a self that needs improvement. Hilarious.
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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2018, 07:38:49 pm »
 :o :o :o :o ::) :P ;)

Now, back to work guys and gals.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2018, 05:53:04 am »
Yes sir boss!  8)

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Re: Jed Rant: More from Lazy
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2018, 05:12:37 pm »
For the few who would claim to remember their birth or the womb, I think they're just fantasizing.
I remember fragments of my past incarnations. Now I have a few friends I've met in previous lives. We have common memories of this.

I remember my feelings when my mother gave birth to me. But I never told her that. My mother is a medical professional. She wouldn't believe me.

I remember one time my mom was holding me and my dad was taking pictures. Then I found this photo in the album. I was one month old in the photo.

I don't care whether science explains it or disproves it.
This is a part of my memory, no more.