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Jed McKenna

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Jed Rant.. more on the I Am.
« on: September 11, 2016, 11:42:49 am »
Dear Members:

Think back five, ten, twenty years and contemplate this. Your body has changed over that time, virtually every cell has been rebuilt of replaced... your memories are different... your thinking capacity has changed as well.. but something has remained the same. Some small sense of you has always been the same. What is that awareness, that intangible thingy?

Can you find it or sense it.

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 11:54:45 am »

The tooth has the change, the finger has the change, the age has the change, the memory has the change, the thought has the change, the environment has the change, what has not changed?
Space?
Consciousness?
I'm stuck here. "Consciousness"
Wait for the "real" arrival. ::)

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 12:04:31 pm »
yes

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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 12:37:00 pm »
The one thing I share with the old me seems to be continuity. A story line, that's all.

Jed McKenna

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 02:27:00 pm »
Is you story line the same as it was when you where five years old? Or at you saying that you had a story line when five and one now, but not the same?

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Jed.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 02:43:56 pm »
there must be a mechanism to keep the story congruent, i think im a story with sub-stories like a movie with chapters , and scenes, but really i dont know if they are totally true, i have relatives and they can confirm some aspects of my stories, but i dont know really if that happened, when it comes to only rely on me to confirm my stories, i think im trusting so much on my memory. i am aware of having that story, maybe i have it ,
so what is that sense of self or awareness? is  this sense of existance something fundamental for all
and there is just a sense of separation imposed? in other words is this sense of existance eternal and there is just the illusion of separation?

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 05:19:27 pm »
I think memories provide continuity or a story.  But there had to be something before the story to even be witness to the story.  Like when you're born, most of us don't have memories before a certain time.  We can recall some kind of first memory, but we must have been present even before that to have had that first memory.  So we definitely weren't the story or continuity then, but we somehow existed before that to be able to COME to the story and continuity.

(And although I'm saying then, before we have memories, I recognize that that moment is right now because that memory also happened Now.  I guess my Now is currently just more cluttered with things like memories and self stories. : )

(One last edit.  I'm reading the Wile E. Coyote bit of Dreamstate at the moment which is a VERY fun section to read, thanks for that bit, and it seems to work very well as a parallel to this particular forum thread topic. : )
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2016, 10:48:38 pm »
I mean to say it is one story that links current me to five-year-old me. The continuity seems pretty convincing because of the speed at which we experience our lives. My story from yesterday is pretty close to my story from today- there is almost the same stuff going on, I have pretty much the same concerns and motives. That gradual day by day shift makes it seems like the decades-long story is a unified whole. That, to my reckoning, is the only thing that links me to the five year old me.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 05:40:10 am »
Yes i sence it....
I know i'm aware of it but never thought about it's awareness.
Is it aware as you suggest?
I don't know....
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 05:42:09 am by Sparrow »

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 08:16:30 am »
To whom it may concern, I am new here and have been on this path a very long time alone in a community that just doesn't seem to understand or believe I'm serious or care. I have found mckenna's no bull sh&t way of treating people works for me and my bad self image. I only talk in I statements becouse I don't want to insinuate I'm speek Ing for anyone and that this is just my perspective. Just looking for guidance at times and hoping I can find some here. I'm not expecting answers just experience that I can relate to. I hope I'm not intruding here in someway  but it's only the second place I've been refers to in my search for my perspective. 

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2016, 10:57:29 am »
5, 10, 20, all the same. only ever here now.

i tried running it forward too. looking forward 5, 10, 20 years, looking for the i am in the future. still only ever here now, but i noticed something, the future seemed less cluttered, as if the past held debris, and the future held less. who knows what the future holds?

the little bastard says, 'i do. it holds nothin', just like it never happened.'

see, i's all over, yet only ever here now.
it's not a small sense. the i am is becoming the most obvious thing in the world. it's veryhereallthenotime. at least, that's how i would describe it in this moment.

« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 11:20:16 am by mariam »

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2016, 10:28:42 am »
I think, more accurately, the intangible thingie is the belief in that story/ego.

What I truly am is what I always am. What I think I am comes and goes. The intangible thingie is really just "what is". "What is" is the actual thing that I share with the five year old but the thing I think that I share is a belief. Then again the idea the five year old exists of ever did is just a belief to me now.

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2016, 11:39:03 am »
it's not a small sense. the i am is becoming the most obvious thing in the world. it's veryhereallthenotime. at least, that's how i would describe it in this moment.

untruth unrealization reads something like, 'if you are not seeing everyday what a small understanding you were clinging to, then you are not progressing.'

SA requires the same thing the game does- a willingness to temporarily suspend disbelief.

that intangible thingie? at first it seemed like it was the i am, but then the i dropped, and eventually the am, then it seemed it was just                                                    ... capacity. but capacity isn't intangible, especially along what appears to be the boundary.
so what is that thingie?
looking again... can i call up a memory of five years ago? yes.
now, what is the same within that memory/image that seems to be the same herenow?

perceiving.

is that true?
maybe not, but it seems truthish.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2016, 03:14:39 am »
Oh yes, when I was little i Remember hiding under the couch when it presses on to my early orienting mind, and before IT GOT scary Like say before 3years old, its feels AS IT was out There and every where, like now^^

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2016, 10:32:35 pm »
Hi Jed. I came here now with a question about the "I am" and found this thread. Cool. So what are we before "am-ness"?  I have no memory of anything prior to maybe 5 yo. And what is the darkness that comes?  I was not. Then I was. Then I will be not again. If there is no thing like a body to hold consciousness, what is there?  A stupid question if ever there was one. This "I am" that I can seem to reside in is just another dead end isn't it?  Without the body, the brain, there is nothing. There is no "sense" of nothing. There is just nothing. So what I really am is?  The thing that wants to know cannot know. Without this thing there is not just nothing but there is no wondering about nothing. What I am folds in on itself .....: