Author Topic: Jed Rant.. more on the I Am.  (Read 2660 times)

Elaine

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Re: Jed Rant.. more on the I Am.
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2016, 11:00:43 pm »
Hi, it's my first day here and just new reading your info as of yesterday,  so  I'm not sure how to conform to the rules so if I'm not abiding please inform me.  Also,   forming words into sentences isn't easy for me  so am not sure how to do the 200 word thing so here goes....

This  "I Am"   issue has been  a dead end because as I inquire  i get that    there is no I and no AM  in which to have an  I AM  experience.   
To whom has it arisen?   
A Self who wants to perpetuate the  duality with  something  in a bigger  I, and a  wider   AM; as opposed to the  little i of ego and the lesser aware  experiences it creates.
It's a layer of belief of the  Self that has graduated from  ego?    (that's not actually a question.) 
So in essence i  perceive the   I AM as a further trick and trappery belief system to keep duality going but from a   ''HIGHER''   b.s.  perspective that comes off as more enlightened than the  ego and still sought after to be attained.
There really is no I AM....  unless  'you'  want there to be.
Are  "you"  wanting there to be?   i am not wanting there to be.   Are we one wanting the same thing?   Clearly no.  This is where my inquiry is using  ''others''  as a sounding board to establish  where this  root   duality is coming from and why?

This   "I Am"  creates another layer of   ''experience''  with the   "I AM" as the observer??  (that's a question  with 2 question marks.)
 who/what  wants there to be an I AM and why?
for what purpose?    Obviously to experience  some  I AM'ness stuff.
Is that I AMness  stuff more duality?   Is it better daulity?  A  better dual game?  Or in it does it imply that somehow  the  I AM will bring the  dual back into focus of  one through going out into  a dual sense  of  I AM  something? 
If so why choose this game?
The  I am  as   all of it and none of it is further  playtime.  Then why  perpetuate  the illusion of  it as I am?
Is this more internal/external  ideas  fun game play dreamtime? 

 ??? :o

« Last Edit: September 18, 2016, 11:10:57 pm by Elaine »

Elaine

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2016, 11:47:50 pm »
I'm gonna try condense the above attempt at using words to describe.
It doesn't get anymore self important than  a   I AM. 
That  I AM  is  a super-duper graduated ego; and it likes to go by the  word    Self   too.
Why?
What is  One getting out of  a different level of observing duality?   especially when there is nothing to watch and only  ONE  is watching?
I guess it's really just time to stop watching any of the duality games  that usually offer a ton of reasons as to why they should be watched and/or split off in experienced.
This is only fun if you have enough split off perspective to view it as such.  And having a  like for  bds&m is a criteria as well since that's the foundation of the game here in this focus point.   
To view it as   non-emotional detached you have to split off to disassociate which is still more duality; but now the word 'enlightened and Self' get to be attached to this perspective point of  I AM. 
When i went into the Self i discovered the Self likes the games and beliefs as much as the ego, but it's a different level of them   both  to maintain the  illusion of the duality game.   
Thanks for the soundingboard.
I guess the choice is clear now. 
« Last Edit: September 19, 2016, 12:14:06 am by Elaine »

Jed McKenna

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2016, 12:45:11 am »
After all that writing, you are still under the illusion that there is a you who might have a ''choice''? Is this really your experience? Are you creating your thoughts? Are you creating what you do about them? It's your experience that counts so, please write back if you like.

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2016, 07:27:05 am »
Here iam , typing this reply in a loo. I get a doubt if I'm really in a loo. I sense some shame that comes with being exposed - what if it's not a loo and I'm imagining it... It's not a comfortable experience.
Where am I ? What is something there is to be ashamed of ? No I'm not consoling myself or other sentient beings , I'm only asking a question - where am I ? What is that which is causing shame ? Is that true ?

Bugger Jed !

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2016, 09:30:02 am »
It's a better way to spend your time than reading Readers Digest.

Cheers.

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2016, 10:06:36 am »
What illusion Jed? It's all well and good to talk about how there is no one here making decisions but those are just words. It sure seems like whatever is perceiving all of this is making decisions. A decision was made to write this. Decisions are made daily by this perceiving entity. And those decisions are accompanied by a sense of culpability by the same perceiver. That is my direct experience. If I decide to drink too much alcohol then I feel bad physically and then there is an emotion that flows in, secondary to a belief about drinking, that makes me feel bad. And all of it seems to come from this I AM place. Without this "person" which is contained within this body, there is nothing.

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2016, 10:44:29 am »
Yes indeed, there is nothing, but it's a very full nothing.

Love ya, Jed.

P.S. Do you know what your next thought is going to be? Look and see.

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2016, 12:16:47 pm »
You tryin' to frustrate me?  No. I don't know what my next thought will be. I don't know it until it arises. I know it can arise from the sensation works around me.....blah blah blah.

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2016, 01:51:08 pm »
Contemplating that we don't know what our next thought is going to be seems quite revealing. How can we still believe that "we" are thinking? why do we consider it something "we" are doing?

.. then what's left of "us" ?
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2016, 07:40:34 pm »
Excellent PM... who the hell is doing all this  thinking?

Love ya, Jed.

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2016, 01:57:38 am »
Hm this sound like what I'm picking up from Nisgardatta, the idea that the personality kind of works on autopilot. When assuming the position of the witness it's easier for me to just surrender to what's going on, not feel any hangups about what this character I'm playing is doing.

Do I post this? I donno. I'll surrender to it even if it's the ego doing it. It's not my choice. Just something to watch and learn from.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2016, 05:37:44 am »
Not being able to predict the next thought and therefore, obviously, despite the feeling, not being the one sending this message, is kind of interesting. Thinking of a bigger picture though - never ever having done anything, never being able to do anything even in theory, and therefore being pretty much nonexistent and totally meamingless is, on the other hand, a bit eerie. It only seems as a problem for the feeling of being someone though. Ego is the only problem there can be, and it is not.
it's the only good fight there is

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2016, 07:21:51 am »
Good work Syrian,  now further.

Love ya, Jed

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« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2016, 02:32:50 pm »
who the hell is doing all this  thinking?

No one, there was just the illusion / thought that someone had to be behind having them. Like the actual perception of the screen, it is, no need for more, the rest is imagination, illusion, ideas. Perceptions are real, I is not.

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2016, 08:20:46 am »
Yes. Thoughts happen and then we take ownership of them. It's what we do. It's where we're comfy. So for f's sake all of this is going on and then I take ownership of it all. Terrific!  Who created this miasma?  And why is the syrup so difficult to climb out of?  (Rhetorical).

So I'll just keep going along trying to distance myself from what I believed all along was myself; I mostly don't care for that guy.