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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2014, 05:28:28 pm »
I practiced this at home last night, then again outside this morning.

When I listen without filtering there's a sense of presence that doesn't seem to be locked inside of my head or a narrow part of "me" like it normally is. There's still the physical sense of a me, I can still physically see the world from a single point but the presence seems to be both inside and outside of this point. It's not completely local. I feel lighter.

Then when I start adding the me into the process of hearing, as in doing what I normally do... judge what I'm hearing my world seems to shrink down into a confined space inside my head.

Stupid analogy but it's like if I was a gas inside a jar, letting go of the me is like loosening the lid of that jar. I'm still partly in the jar, but also partly outside of it and able to see and sense the jar as well as around it.

That's the best way I can describe what it's like.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2014, 11:43:07 pm »
Dear Mark:

Thank you for pointing that out. It was what I was getting at. When you release the 'I' that is perceiving, your eyes will tend to defocus.

I assume you are closing you eyes for this. Now, once you get the skill of no 'I' down a little, just try the defocused eye component by itself.

Thank you for your efforts and feedback. I urge you to not just pass this off as a onetime experience. Please make a habit of it for a while then, of course, chuck it, like me and everything else.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2014, 02:54:02 am »
Dear Jed,

Eyes tend to defocus when looking without 'I'? Of course. I've noticed it all along! I was trying so hard to find an answer to your question, THE experience you are looking for that I overlooked what I had been experiencing already.

Maybe that's the case for this pursuit of T/S or H/A as well? Maybe I have what I am pursuing but I have been oblivious of it.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2014, 07:26:26 am »
Thank you Jed. I actually had my eyes open. I am at work and was listening to the keyboards of all my fellow workers tapping away. It was quite beautiful. Can you believe it!

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2014, 08:14:26 am »
I would say that there are two "I's": the one "I" takes the shape of my personality: thoughts that I associate with me, a feeling tone that I associate with "me", and a chain of habits. This is the automatic me that takes over when I get caught up. This "I" leaves when I sleep or sit in practice for a while.

But there is the other I in which my personality takes place. This "I" doesn't have anything particular associated with it, it doesn't have a shape or color, but it does have a limit: the objects within it. So when I relax and let it expand, it expands to the size of the room. Outside, it expands to whatever I can see or hear. When I focus at the tip of my finger, there is only the tip of the finger.

The question is: how is this formless "I" not me?

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2014, 04:31:13 pm »
After you asked about the eyes, I went back to noticed that. I perceived energy, like waves patterns, then I noticed I was blinking less.  :P - that's what happened.
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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2014, 10:37:01 pm »
Dear posters;

I am pleased with your diligence. See if you can make a habit of this. Then after that an addiction, then we will set up a twelve set program and help you go back to square one... ah.. just being silly.

Love ya, Jed.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2014, 06:56:11 am »
Dear Jed,
It's like 2 eyes become one (big) eye. This eye is like a window
or a screen where the world is in.
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Maybe this is what the sages call the third eye. Who knows?
These are just more concepts. I 'd better shut up.
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This will be my next addiction    :P

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2014, 07:15:55 am »
I did it again today.
It's a lot easier to perceive without 'me'. Otherwise it takes too much effort. I have to literally think there is a 'me' in order to perceive with a 'me'. So most of time I just simply perceived without thinking.
I didn't go to the contraction and expansion part. Still haven't figured that one out yet.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2015, 11:43:43 am »
Where can I find the original instruction?  Is there a jed rant on technique part one that I can't seem to find?
THANKS

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2015, 05:29:50 pm »
I am glad that this thread is brought back. This technique came out before I joined the forum and I missed it.

When practicing part 1, I noticed that
  - When the mind becomes still, the sense of self disappears, and at the same time I no longer know what is perceived in the sense that the mind is not there to give it a name.
  - Hearing and feeling are relatively easy with eyes closed. With vision it is harder to let go of the self.
  - I attach a strong sense of self with bodily movement. Whenever I move the sense of self comes back.

With the explanation in part 2, I further noticed
  - There is a de-focus when the perceiver is gone.
  - the difference between the expansive presence and the constricted self.

This is very exciting. Definitely will do more practice.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2015, 07:48:14 am »
Techniques part 1 is the same as part 2.  Why write 2 posts with the same instruction?

Here's my experience -

It stops the mind knowing.  You can't know anything when there's 'just perceiving'.  Knowledge becomes impossible.   The 'I' is required in order to know.  So it feels comfortable in a way, but also disorienting.

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2015, 07:52:50 pm »
I've often thought that my highly developed intellect was an impediment to happiness.  I wasn't born a nerd, but I wanted to know stuff.  I wanted to know everything.  What drives that desire other than anxiety?  Curiosity maybe?  I don't know.   

But knowing implies a knower...  Hmmm....  maybe I need to practise 'just knowing'.  That seems impossible.  Has anyone done that?

How to build a large hadron collider without lots of painstaking thinking?

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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2015, 08:59:56 pm »
Dear CJ:

Tell me how much thinking was required to build the human body, to create a being that could walk, thinks, feel, love, even reproduce itself. A thing comprised of countless cells, genes, chemical reactions and the capacity to imagine anything, even to create a collider.

You have it very wrong if you think your thinking is important or that you can ever understand anything 'out there'. Turn it around, find out what you fear, what you are  hiding from with that intellect. If you such a smart guy start focusing on something worthwhile.

Thinking just happens, perceiving just happens, sensing just happens and you just happened.

Well, that's just my opinion and I could be full of sub-atomic b. s.

Love ya, Jed.
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Re: Jed rant on techniques part 2
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2015, 07:30:23 am »
Thanks for reading.

The human body and many of its processes just happen on their own.  I get that.

My intellect covers up the fear of not being listened to as a child.  Fear of not being good enough to win attention.  I'm not hiding from anything, but I am resisting suffering, obviously.  Now what?

All the people I read say "dive into the pain, enjoy it, don't resist".  Tried it.  And yes, if done very skillfully, the suffering will abate quickly ... but then hit back the moment you relax.  You end up with a very short respite.

When I had a girlfriend I could use that to prop up my self-image.  When I had a job I could use that to some degree also.  But skull-crushing depression has put an end to ever having love or financial security in my life.  Such damage to the self-image is extremely painful.  And it doesn't let up.  Every option for movement is blocked. 






 
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