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BeAware posted a question and I responded to it. I was going to save this for later but its a huge issue that has not been understood. So, here my guts I doth spilleth.

You hit the nail right on the head and that's one of the main components of Navigation. Also, it's a major shortcoming of every existing system that suggests you don't believe your thoughts. It's one thing to know a belief is not true, but humans hold onto thousands of beliefs they know are not true. (he shouldn't have left me, hit me, cheated me, loved another, blah, blah, blah or I need money, love, attention, blah, blah, blah), but it's another thing to disbelief a thought that you believe is true, and yet doesn't serve you, or just pops up on it's own at inconvenient times.

Beliefs are just thoughts about thoughts and forcing yourself to believe that something is not true does not bring the relief you seek. It just creates more thoughts.

Disbelieving a thought on a mental level/logical level can be done, that's hard enough, but getting it at a gut level and then an unconscious level is almost impossible with current technologies. You could spend years working on one belief, and have thousand created in the meantime. Here's a silly example. See if you can relate to it.

You see someone who is overweight and judge that they should be thinner. You can't help it, mind just comes up with it. Now if you do certain techniques you will see that they aren't thinner, they are simply fat. Some people teach that what is is, and going against reality causes suffering. True in a way but as usual, there is more to it, plenty more. There is an elephant in the room and until the Nav Series it has not been dealt with.

The thought that she should lose weight and the viewing of the person are both happening in mind and you know what, the kicker is that person would feel better, be happier, be more attractive, be healthier and be a better lover if they did lose weight. A further truth is neither of these things, your thoughts or belief in them, are real. Your judgment is a thought and the fat gal is a thought. Your mind then enters into a war thinking it shouldn't' believe it's thoughts, but which one should it not believe. The thought that she shouldn't be fat, or the thought that that thought it's true, or the thought that you shouldn't judge her or that you are indeed bad in order to perceive her as fat, or perhaps you are just fat for thinking fat. Geez, it can, and often does, go on and on and on. (I could afford to lose a few pounds now that I think of it).

Forget any b.s. about not judging. Judging got humans where they are and it is so deeply ingrained that you will probably never stop it. It's what we do. Best deal with it. So the teacher says don't believe your thoughts by questioning them. Much, much easier said than done. Have you tried to disbelieve a thought. No one has ever taught you how. (Daddy **** me but, you know, it's o.k., now that I understand more. Just not his fault.... NOT! I ain't big on child raping and it was his fault because no one held a gun to his head, new age b.s. aside.)

Just take a thought and try to change your belief in it. Keep in mind the thought and the belief are both just thoughts. Dad shouldn't have hit me. What, he should have? Some teachers will tell you yes, that was perfect. Sorry gang, my bullshit detector is going off big time. I don't think abuse of any kind is particularly optimal. Simple as that. It certainly may have occurred, but I consider humans hitting humans to be less than optimal regardless of how much reality is applied. This also applies to bombing, shooting, raping, etc., just less than optimal and not necessary in our current world. It's time for us to step beyond that, but that's just my thought.)

But how do you deal with all that. If you try to force yourself to disbelieve your thought, just the opposite occurs, you give it attention, you beat yourself up when you fail and you playing right into Maya/ego's game. Either victim or martyr, she doesn't give a damn.  She is laughing her ass off at you and you have never been shown what is going actually going on. I'm not blaming you because you have no alternative knowledge of how to deal with it, and trust me on this on, it has to be dealt with.

I can think of one technique in particular where this comes up big time and the teacher, whom I do admire and does much good in general, often says words to the effect that he/she doesn't want you to change your thoughts about a given event.

Do the logic... you've studied the material and come to his/her seminar for relief from the belief that a particular thought is true, bad or harmful. Yes, I happen to agree that daddy shouldn't have **** you. Seems to me that would be a pretty sane thought to have, one that a H/A might have. But it's causing you problems big time, it just messes with things a whole bunch keeps you from T/R work, which is what Maya/ego wants of course.

Nobody ever stands up and says, "wait a minute, I came here to change my thoughts about something and you're telling me you don't want me to change anything... bugger that." Cognitive dissonance sets in and someone yells 'FIRE'.

I have immense respect for the person who teaches it, but there is a rather large elephant in the room. (BTW, there was one, a real one, and a huge sucker, grazing outside my favorite restaurant yesterday afternoon, no no no, I was not hallucinating, and I sure wasn't paying his tab).

I found a workable solution, one that everyone I know of has missed. It's not that difficult. It just takes an explanation of what is really going on, an understanding and a little skill development. Denying, suppressing, forcing yourself to believe something was good/o.k. when it was not, was true, blah, blah, blah, etc. are only band-aids at best. This techniques gives you the option of removing all the power you want to from a thought that is not serving you. Once you have mastered the skill it can be done is a little as a moment or two. Particularly nasty matters can take a little longer, but it is very quick and, equally as important, painless. It requires no conflict with what is.

Some of you have guessed by now that the application of this technology in PTSD is definitely called for.

Thanks much for raising the point BA.

Love ya, Jed.

Love ya, Jed.

Interesting, while the experience of PTSD events seems to be the triggering factor of pain and displeasure, it's my experience (and how I unloaded the gun of such experiences) that it was my "story" of what the experience meant that was causing constant reflection on the events and subsequent immobilization.

When I logically and emotionally re-callibrated the events to just events without "me" and my "story" attached they lost their power over my mind and subsequently fell away from my thoughts all together. This process took years and a lot of therapy, I'm interested to see the Yellow AMC Pacer on the track, put it through it's paces...

I guess its like when the man is in love with a woman and she dumps him.  He longs after her for months but the one day sees her with his best friend and the love stops that moment which a moment ago was torturing him.  Where did the "love" go?  Awareness of what you weren't aware of before seems key.  When the me is taken out of the story the mind has no more investment and the just drops it.     Well until I can dive into the Nav series Il just sit with the fat girl, share my deep fried mars bar with her ; )

Dearest Jed,
Changing the focus from the judgement and the inner judge
To the unjudgemental openness that gives room to all judgements.
Very humbling
Love
Gwen

To hallucinate and communicate my seeing of PTSD.

We got like one life, one person, one death idea. What if Ptsd is just a life with two deaths ( like twins instead of a single child)?

There you go, your whole personality, your whole life constructed, going to one thing , the death of your person, your life , and somehow something still goes on, all in the

course of a still "regular" life. Like chapters or something. Maybe you dont even get it if your not aware enough, maybe PTSD is a "problem" only if you are blessed to be aware of it.

the Intelligence, if I hallucinate it works with "you" is giving you the unique and painful opportunity to die, or maybe you already died ( or holding onto a massive energy chunk that you know will kill you if you dont block it via you know what). But whatch you gonna do, stay in a dead personality or just finnally get yourself killed and move on? is there a choice?

Yesterday I stoud outside on cold sunset, I wish I go inside, I didnt even enjoy susnset or anything, I just didnt really want to go in nor did I enjoy what I was doing, for like an hour, just being there, being uncomfortable. So what?

Dear Mischa and Know:

Thank you for you thoughtful responses. Old tech for sure. Here I go...

Mischa, you said, learn how to stop resisting. How? It's a setup to resist resisting. Round and round it goes. This is the point... all systems currently available are based on subtle tricks of Maya/ego to keep you in the fight and thinking you are making headway. And then, like Know said, after a number of years of therapy and hard work you make some headway. I don't deny that for a moment, you certainly can. But you can also walk from New York to California in about the same time, or take more modern transportation. Most therapy is complete b.s. because any good therapy puts one out of business quickly. It's not rocket science, I'd call it stupid science and then drop the word science.

Love ya, Jed.

There isn't resist, resisting can only be done against a illusion.

Mischa:

Remember, 250 word max... I gone on snooze if more.

Love ya, Jed.

I would say by repeated awareness of the thinking functions and its effects