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Jed McKenna

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Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« on: September 07, 2017, 06:35:07 am »
Dear Members and lurkers:

Catchy title? Everyone wants to know what happens after death and yes, I can do even more than explain it to you, I can show you graphically exactly what it is like.

First off, for purposes of grokking this, I request you take the perspective, even if only for a moment, that everything in your human dream is 180 degrees off... a little like a reflection in a mirror. Allow for that possibility while you read the following.

When you appear to have been born into humanness, you died to your True Nature, to Truth. You were birthed into this human dream but it was actually a death from the perspective of Truth.

When you appear to die in the human dream, what is really happening is you are being born back into your True nature... Truth. When you are born you die and when you die you are born.

Imagine a night dream... the characters appear within a dream, they are birthed. Later that dream ends and the characters disappear (die). Where did they go? Nowhere, because there never existed. Yes, they appeared to have a variety of experiences within that night dream which might indicate they were ''real'' characters.. seeing, hearing, feeling various experiences, but they were not ''real''. From their dream perspective they felt real, but upon awakening the dreaming human realizes they were just illusory.

In a lucid dream, which you have probably experienced, you wake up to your true nature as that of the human character having the night dream. You awaken inside the dream to the reality that the character in the night dream is the creation of a human. Said human is outside the dream. Where does the night dream character go? Nowhere, because he/she wasn't ''real'' to start with. You might say he/she died and was absorbed back in the dreaming human. As above, so below.

Contemplate this.... you are already dead. You couldn't be deader and some day you will die to this human dream and will become alive to your True Nature. Truth is the dreamer and, in your human format you are a dreamed character.

You might ask why your human character seems so real and believable. Your night dreams appear real while they are happening. If your dream of humanness did not appear real, with the validation of the senses and human drama, you would not stick around for the entertainment.

Could all this human dream be solely for entertainment? You can make up any reason you want for this human dream, I find entertainment works for me. Your feedback is welcome.

Love ya, Jed.





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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2017, 09:37:44 am »
Seems like one of those things that if you don't know for sure, there isn't any good reason to make something up. I tend to just go with what is until it isn't. The details concerning how and why remain pretty unnecessary.

Thanks for sharing :)

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2017, 12:38:00 pm »
Try it on for size, see how it fits... you will definitely find out one day.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 02:53:09 pm »
Maybe death is just that what i want it to be. Maybe, after dying, i'll be born again, same consiousness, new set of brains to start all over again. We'll see. Interesting theory mr mckenna. So how many deaths/births away from the core? How many layers of life/consiousness to explore? How many dreams to wake from? Infinite? Who knows.. a mysterious and wonderful concept to contenplate. What happens to this consiousness when this body dies... will it die with it? I wont be noticing it if thats true .

The subject comes by every ones and a while. I was dreaming about death and the possibilities concerning reincarnation. En ended up with the theory: what if we fear death because we unconsiously fear birth?
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2017, 10:21:30 pm »
I read this today and then read the Adam & Eve conversation in Dreamstate. No accidents in sure that they both showed up at the same time. I'm really having a hard time with this. The way it occurs is that God is **** with us for entertainment???? Maybe what's missing is that I still see consciousness/God as separate from me as opposed to getting that there is no separation? I'm stuck!

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2017, 11:33:20 pm »
God isn't screwing with you, it's all you and all entertainment.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 07:58:19 am »
That 180 degree tidbit didn't seem to have any relevance or necessity...
Did I miss something and if so what was it?
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 08:48:33 am »
Not a problem... you didn't need to pretend.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 01:05:22 pm »
Me and my true nature, if i dieded to my true nature either that is not me or that is not my truenature. The true nature that can be named is not the real true nature as in the classics. Actually i don't think there can be any certainty regarding death, whatever infotmation can come about this, even from and for the enlightened ones, is tributarry to this dying true nature, and it comes from a living thing.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2017, 10:54:23 pm »
This "reality" seems absolutely unbelievable from the state before/after this. It is like a cardboard cut out symbolic version of reality. It is a poor attempt at replacing the home one can never leave by putting up little boxes and calling them "home".  It is imagining all sorts of insanity and calling it love as if to hide the reality of love that is the very essence of all of it. It's a strange delusion. A strange sort of madness chosen again and again and again.  It's spectacular. The mad hatters tea party and through the looking glass.  It is quite a story. 
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 01:13:34 am »
Dear ED:

Great way of viewing this.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 01:01:34 am »
I like this contemplation although I don't agree with everything in it.

    Imagine a night dream... the characters appear within a dream, they are birthed. Later that dream ends and the characters disappear (die). Where did they go? Nowhere, because there never existed.

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>They existed as potential and return back to potential. All those characters remain as potential experience that is in principle still available to be experienced.

Potential is often overlooked, but it's neither nothing nor unimportant.

>In a lucid dream, which you have probably experienced, you wake up to your true nature as that of the human character having the night dream.

Not quite. In a lucid dream I see myself not as human, but as mind that's dreaming. This mind is much more open and more general than being a human. I don't have much human sentimentality in lucid dreams and many qualities that would be normal for humans are just not "there" when I am lucid.

I imagine the more powers any lucid dreamer experiences in their lucid dream the less human their perspective is when lucid. Someone who truly thinks their dream is produced by only a human mind will believe in all sorts of limitations and will have more trouble with the various lucid powers.

>Contemplate this, you are already dead. You couldn't be deader and some day you will die to this human dream and will become alive to your True Nature.

I don't think it's one or the other. The picture you paint is, in my opinion, too optimistic. You're saying even the most ignorant idiot just needs to wait for the body to expire to reach enlightenment, and I don't agree.

Consider this question: why when we fall asleep do we go from this "dream of humanity" to a "night time dream"? Why can't we return at night, when resting, to this True Nature? What's the need to wait for the body to expire?

I think basically this True Nature you speak of is already here, but it's easy to overlook because the dream is so bright and seductive. At the same time, when the body expires, I think a new series of dreams unravel which are just as bright and just as seductive as anything "here." So there is never a time when True Nature appears nakedly by default. To really see one's True Nature one has to intend to see it. I don't think it can happen if you just wait long enough. So long as the person is interested in dream visions, those visions will take priority. This isn't limited to one body's span of time.

Also, what you say here is very similar to the story we find in Zhuangzi about Chaos (one translator translated it as "Primal Dark" instead of "Chaos" IIRC).

The Ruler of the Southern Ocean was Shu, the Ruler of the Northern Ocean was Hu, and the Ruler of the Centre was Chaos. Shu and Hu were continually meeting in the land of Chaos, who treated them very well. They consulted together how they might repay his kindness, and said, 'Men all have seven orifices for the purpose of seeing, hearing, eating, and breathing, while this (poor) Ruler alone has not one. Let us try and make them for him.' Accordingly they dug one orifice in him every day; and at the end of seven days Chaos died.

This is very much like what you're saying, isn't it?

http://ctext.org/zhuangzi/normal-course-for-rulers-and-kings/ens#n2769
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 09:48:45 am »
Neale Donald Walsch's 'Home With God' best info I ever read on this subject.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 02:21:02 pm »
I think it is as Nisargadatta says: The dream continues after the death of the body... Delusion(games) will keep getting new bodies of expression until it decides to annihilate itself, IMO.

Everytime I died in a dream, existence continued to be the same, with all it's delusions and drama... the only difference was the absence of the body. The proccess can be different on waking life though

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2018, 12:10:57 am »
Thanks for sharing.

Love ya, Jed.