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headroom

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2018, 02:44:03 am »
Stuart Hameroff & Roger Penrose new theories about life and dead. "Orch-OR model of "quantum consciousness vibration. Human(? only) Out of Body during a near death exp. revived the quantum consciousness can go back into the microtubules inside the brain. The quantums are shielded and protected inside the microtubules from the biological noise off the Brain processes. The big hunch they postulated: after death the quantum consciousness vibration is stored forever.
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Is this quantum consciousness vibration personalized? When a new incarnation is ready to start how does the  quantum consciousness field interract? Does it copy, multiply and what about individual "Karma Part" it has to continue somehow.
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Being out of body was one of my experiences with LSD, later during water Shiatsu Sessions found me looking downwards to me from the roof @ swimming pool hall. Conclusion Body and consciousness are only temporaly bounded can be separeted during life. In old Tantric Buddhist storys you can read/ hear about transportations of the soul or consciousness to another body by accidents and special conditions. Even in an animal for temporal storing. 
One LSD trip i was laying down in an fetus postion and sucking my thumb like a baby. As I opened my eyes I could see 2 bodies at the same time together in one form. My baby body was inside actual adult body. Like Emmentaler chesse, my body had transparent holes /openings symmetric all over. The Baby Bodie was  just a bit smaller but not the real baby size. Was really ripping off space time illusion!
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2018, 04:34:08 am »
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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2018, 12:23:55 am »
I kept it simple by sticking to one premise: What can be observed?

It's common sense, that the future cannot be known. So any conclusions about death are pure speculations.
Furthermore it can be said, that it is not possible to observe the own death. As long as there is an observing, there is Life. What for to dig deeper in this direction?

So, if it is not possible to go forward in time, then let's go back in time to a state of not-being, that must have been there before birth.
Can at any point an event of coming into being (birth) be observed?
Following this track, it may be revealed that an event called "birth" is an idea and that one was never born . If never born, what could die?

Going further .... it leads to the question:  If never born, then what does 'being' mean?
Obviously "being" is not an absolute as long as there can be a state of "not-being".
I call this point the "Holy dilemma", because it asks for slaughtering the last holy cow, the "I am". ( "And God answered  'I am that I am' "; 'I think therefore I am' , etc. etc. )

What's left is .....  a yummy beef steak to be enjoyed anytime !

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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2018, 06:24:53 am »
Thank you for sharing.

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2018, 12:52:44 am »
Is there such thing as the the dreamer is stuck between dreaming and waking up? Although ultimately, the dreamer will eventually wake up.

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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2018, 02:07:33 am »
Didn't happen to me, but certainly possible.

Is that your current experience.

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2018, 05:13:30 pm »
I have always had a strong knowing and memory that before I was born as a baby human there was a big black void and that is what I will return to. I can see it in my mind's eye.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2018, 02:47:26 am »
Much like Nisagardatta's methodology. Go back to 8 days before you were conceived.

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 11:30:52 pm »
Do you really have any idea what happens before death.

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2018, 10:47:45 am »
Got it, thanks for sharing that.

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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2018, 10:35:22 am »
I like the exercise, it stretches your mind. A dream within a dream (Inception anyone?).
What if when we die we wake up, to another dream? How many layers can there be? I would say infinite.

It's a little like considering a computer simulated reality, like The Matrix but without any humans plugged in. Just software.
Computer technology is not far away from us being able to create a computer simulation of reality. At least in a small scale. When we accomplished that, we will probably consider, very seriously, that we ourselves live in a simulation. Once there, we will inevitably ask the question about how many layers of simulation can you create?

BTW. There are multiple TED and TEDx talks about this. Here's one that proves, using statistics, that we already live in a computer simulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfoo9NBEow&t=111s
Try that on for size. :-)

Anyway, all this is just conceptual speculations that doesn't get one closer to truth other than it stretches your mind a little bit outside of your every day box.

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Re: Jed Rant: What happens when you die...
« Reply #26 on: June 14, 2018, 12:44:16 am »
Thank you for sharing. How could this human dream not be a simulation. Your sense take in raw data which is quite meaningless, it is processed by a brain and then presented to you as a fact. Hey, there is a car... nope, there is a clump of data presented to you and you attached information, memories and concepts resulting in the conclusion ''That's a car''.

I think that anyone who says this is not a simulation has not looked closely at it. BUT, is there some giant AI computer behind all of this? Well... I don't know but what is important, I don't really care. Find out that Truth is and you won't care either.

Love ya, Jed.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2018, 11:17:56 am »
Maybe this is just a restating the same thought in a different way.

From a certain perspective (a focus of attention), a 'thing' (that which appears to be objectified... by a word at the least), does what it is. Thus, Death dies unto itself. Should Death stop doing so, it is not a thing anymore... as in forgotten.

The funny part is that every breath, which is supposed to be closer to the last, is also commonly expressed as a sign of Life. One might say that Death is one of two names for the same action... (dying/living = Diving). Death and Life, being indistinguishable by their activities, might be said to render 'Deaf'. When the diving stops, being deaf is forgotten about.

In the realm of sound engineering and wave/clock dynamics, if all the infinity of objectifiable frequencies interact (are played) in simultaneity with one another (at the same amplitude), then absolute phase cancellation is rendered. Awareness of all cycles (or all-time) at once = silence... not-deaf... zero. (Math with interacting cycles, instead of numbers).

In terms of Truth, one could say the same, using Truth as the object. Lying (ie. Truthing) becomes the action that produces the object. If Truth stops Lying, Truth is forgotten... or maybe an equal outcome/ground-state might be stated as, Lying is forgiven.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2018, 12:34:28 pm »
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